16.7.06

I Had a Dream Last Night

I dreamt that the Basques in Spain sent missiles into Bordeaux and in return the French bombed Madrid and Barcelona, and set up a wall of tanks along the Pyrenees.

The dream also involved lots of dead cows and walls of earth, but that's not important. Also, ETA does not equal Hizbullah, but it's just a dream.

The important thing is that such a thing as that would never happen. In every attack by a Western power on a resistance militia or terrorist organization (I'm not sure what to call Hizbullah) that I can think of, they have never attacked civilian infrastructure. They never kept civilians from being able to flee, and they never attacked places like Luna Park. Not France/Spain v. ETA, UK v. IRA, US v. Taliban, US v. Iraqi militias, or the international forces v. Sudanese rebels.

Western powers would never atack a country to get at a militia if the country is not powerful enough to take care of the militia itself. Do you really think Lebanon could have peacefully disarmed Hizbullah ten years ago? One year ago? One week ago? Not without a huge fight.

Israel always claims to be Western, allies itself with the US, and enters Eurovision. But it doesn't adhere to Western principles of war and the Geneva conventions. When will the West wake up to this and stop seeing Israel as one of its own?

27 Comments:

At Sunday, July 16, 2006 5:34:00 PM, Blogger Solomon2 said...

The central flaw in the analogy is that Spain is struggling to put a stop to Basque terrorism, but Lebanon is dithering at attempting the same with Hezbollah.

I have responded to your other points in my comment to a previous post.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 5:40:00 PM, Blogger Ahmedinajad said...

ISLAM IS THE RELIGION OF ABRAHAM, MOSES, JESUS AND MUHAMMAD (PEACE BE UPON THEM ALL).
THINK ABOUT IT HOW COULD AN ILLITERATE MAN INSPIRE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND 1400 YEARS LATER STILL BE HAVING AN EFFECT ON THE WORLD.
WAKE UP FEAR THE GOD OF ISRAEL AND THE UNIVERSE.
AS A WESTENER THE RATE OF ISLAMS INFLUENCE IS SKY ROCKETING ESPECIALLY IN EUROPE. SO STOP BURYING YOUR HEADS IN THE SAND (no pun intended) LIKE OSTRICHES.
STOP DEMONISING THE FUTURE FAITH OF MANKIND.
IF ISLAM IS AN ARAB RELIGION FOUNDED BY AN ARAB IT WOULD NOT HAVE SPREAD FURTHER THAN MECCA OR MEDINA.

Visit the following websites for further information on ISLAM.
http://www.al-sunnah.com/muhammad_in_the_bible.htm
(MUHAMMAD IN THE BIBLE)
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MB_BQS/default.htm
(Quran and Science)
http://www.harunyahya.com/
http://www.barnabas.net/
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
http://www.islamicity.com/
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 5:44:00 PM, Blogger olegt said...

This is really stupid analogy.

In Spain ETA doesn't have such support as Hizb in Lebanon. ETA doesn't have headquarters in Madrid or seats in parliament and even ministers in government. ETA doesn't control half of Spain including France border.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 5:46:00 PM, Blogger jdwill said...

In order for this analogy to work, ETA should have seats in the Spanish parliament, show 40% support in the Spanish polls, and have an open militia that solely controls a third of Spain whilst giving parades thru Madrid with pretty yellow scarves.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 5:46:00 PM, Blogger Shai said...

I'll tell you when. When Arabs, as a society, stop solving their problems by means of terror.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 5:51:00 PM, Blogger Al-Fil said...

It was just a dream....dreams aren't perfect. But I think the analogy is sound. If France were to be under threat from a militia in Spain that Spain wasn't able to handle, it wouldn't bomb Spain.

Great generalization, Shai, really intelligent. (Does sarcasm come through in type?)

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:09:00 PM, Blogger linalone said...

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At Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:11:00 PM, Blogger linalone said...

Shai,
Should we tell you about Your means of terror? Are you blind or what? Your army is orderning people to evacuate regions and is bombing them if they do so. They are killing children and women, they are bombing food and petrol stocks. They are using chemichal weapons internationally banned.What do you expect? that we sheer up for you. NO not at all.Whether we like or not, Hizbullah has great popularity among lot of lebanese and its' parliement member have been elected "democraticaly" in your norms(all the international authorities have agreed that the latest elections were fair especially after Syrian Forces left Lebanon). The children killed, haven't chosen yet to be or not a partisan of Hizbullah.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:25:00 PM, Blogger olegt said...

It doesn't matter democratically or not Hizballh was elected. You state supports terrorists - you pay for this, full stop.
It's your choice to stay with Hizballa or fight Hizballa.

And for you allegations on killing children and women - if it did happen, this was done unintentionally by mistake. Hizballah doesn't wear uniform and they hide amongst civilians. Heck, they even have rocket launchpads in civilian homes. This is against laws of war and you know it.
So don't blame Israel for dead Lebanese, war is war and it's Lebanon who started this war.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:30:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

yes it matters..
terrorist are israeli forces seiging lebanon right now
and no not by mistake...
go read some history books..

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:34:00 PM, Blogger linalone said...

HOw many times it is done by mistake? One, two, there? Was Hizbullah soldiers hiding in the water tanks or the food stocks or the gaz stations?

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:36:00 PM, Blogger Eve said...

mistake? MISTAKE??? you slaughter people and you call it a mistake?? why don't come watch TV with me right now? check out the new massacre in Tyr minutes ago. and then come tell me sorry for this MISTAKE!
حدا يوقّفني لأنو حارتكب جريمة!

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:37:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

linalone. u forget the luna parks..

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:41:00 PM, Blogger Sigmund, Carl and Alfred said...

Simply absurd.

I made these remarks on another blog:

The Lebanese have been held hostage by Hizbollah- and they have contuinued to do to Lebanon what the PLO did that country. It really is that simple.
Do you need to be reminded of what Arafat did to the paradise that was Lebanon? Do you need to be reminded that Hizbollah isn’t very much different? Do you think we in the west don’t know for the longest time, Christian women and girls were afraid to go out by themselves? I could go on, but you get the point.

Here is a bit of reality that does not escape the policymakers of the west: When dictators, leaders of tyrannical regimes or religious fanatics attempts to justify their actions, the entire world can rightly assume that justification is false. Dictators, tyrannical regimes and religious fanatics do not make moral choices, because moral choices can only lead to the demise of the tyranny.

‘ITBACH AL YAHUDI!” is not an acceptable political and religious ideology that will find sympathy among civilized nations.

The real naqbah has been audio and videotape. As a Syrian friend once bitterly told me, ‘We can no longer hide who we are from the world or from ourselves.’

Manar is not credible because it broadcasts images of the tragic victims. That is only a reality for a few days.

Manar's daily reality is clear: "we fill finish what Hitler started" and other such ideologies.

All the peace marches in the world won't change these realities.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:51:00 PM, Blogger olegt said...

Yes, by mistake. No Israeli will kill civilians deliberately. Face it.

Targets are all Hizballa objects and if they hide amongst civilians - bad news for those civilians. If they hide rockets in houses - bad news for those houses.
It's your choice to go along with Hisballah, now you pay for your choice.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:52:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

sigmund,
if u notice.. that wen we r posting news we r puttig the sources..
we didn't quote manar till now.. simple to show sraeli new invasion defenders tha terror is done in lebanon right nowfrom israeli forces and it is put on other media stations..
so as simple as it is.. ur country is doing a terroritic attacks on lebanon right nw.. and no.. it's not by mistake.. tey know what r they doing

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 6:53:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Al-fil: if you want to know what France would do just as in Algiers (more than 100,000 civilians were buchered by the french in several years (till 1962). We have shown amazing restraint in comparison with many "enlightend" EU nations.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:38:00 PM, Blogger Xylocaine said...

A dead man is dead man...and you israeli are murderers by all means...you will be judged infront of God.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:39:00 PM, Blogger Shai said...

al-fil, linalone,

I take my words back.

What I ment to say is that as a whole, the Arab society is identified so strongly with terror, that the West has less and less patience for it, and more and more patience for those who attack it.

There is something in the way your society treats life that make it a furtile soil for terrorism. Take for example the pictures you put in this very blog. We in Israel have had hundreds of mutilated bodies in exploding busses etc. But no one in Israel would ever even dream of putting those pictures in their blog or in a newspaper. It is exactly these values that connect us to the West, and disconnect you.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:56:00 PM, Blogger linalone said...

Come on Shaii, the majority of you are saying that we are lying when we talk about massacres and children and women killed. We are the East and not your WEST.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:24:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Linaone: we know full well the death and destruction in Lebanon. We have a free media and from what I have gatherd on this and other forums I suspect we know more about you than you about us. Believe me that most of us grieve for innocent civilians killed but when the Hizballah uses your cities, your homes and your civilians as a human shield they are responsible for your tragedy. The Hizballah forces us to choose between your and our civilians. I am sorry but the choice is clear if tragic. We can make mistakes by the way and I can not defend each and every one of our attacks. I am sure some were unnecessary. If we really wanted to kill civilians the death toll would be in hundreds of thousnds by now.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 9:36:00 PM, Blogger Shai said...

linalone,

No one said you are lying. What happend in Marwahin was on Israeli TV.

You cannot claim to be a westener and at the same time drule over pictures of mutilated bodies like it was pornography.

There are tons of pictures of mutilated bodies of American soldiers from Iraq. But I NEVER saw any of them in the American blogs on blogger.

And this is of course only an example.

I understand your anger and I'm not saying it is not justified. But your society is using this anger in the wrong directions. Use it to kick out Iran from Lebanon. It is the only way in which Lubnan sa yabka.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 10:51:00 PM, Blogger linalone said...

I am against any type of violence and war. Usually i'm a pacifist. But I cannot see my country destroyed without reacting. I cannot see children killed without reacting. It's not their fault.Anywhere in the world, the civilians shouldn't be targeted.

 
At Monday, July 17, 2006 1:11:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Linalone I am sorry for you but are you sorry for me, for our children? Have you demonsrated when our children were murdered? Have you done anything about the Hizballah? Your reaction although justified should be against Hizballah and not against Israel. Believe me or not but we do not enjoy fighting in Lebanon. The Hizballah has driven us to it by their unprovoked attacks against us.

 
At Monday, July 17, 2006 2:03:00 AM, Blogger Wolfie said...

Actually, if you knew more about Spanish politics you might consider that the dream is not so far-fetched afterall...

 
At Monday, July 17, 2006 9:13:00 AM, Blogger Nightstudies said...

You know, if Cuba was sending missles to Florida, the US would crush Cuba instantly. We wouldn't wait until there was a kidnapping.

I think your understanding of western nations is faulty. We're not more easy going than Israel, we're actually tougher than Israel, if we seem more peaceful it's because we're not attacked very often.

Remember what happened to Afghanistan? How many attacks did Afghanistan get on the US before we had an all out war?

Exactly one.

 
At Saturday, July 22, 2006 2:34:00 PM, Blogger tomy said...

OKAY let's see. israel backed off from south lebanon just as Hizballa demanded. now, Israel CIVILIANS under massive attack of Hizballa, which USES lebanonise civilians to attack israel. yes, lebanon suffers. really suffers. but what else israel can do? its no fun for us you know. lebanon civilians and government MUST kick hizballa's butt out of lebanon!

 

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