18.7.06

Israel Never Wanted Peace

I'm in Amman now, and full of sorrow. I've railed againts Hizbullah, its policies which lead to armageddon, and the weakness of the Lebanese government to dismantle it. But don't misinterpret this to meant I support Israel. Israel has never really wanted peace.

The Israeli government in the last 15 years has continually adopted policies that prohibit bipartisan peace processes. It is adopting the old colonialist tactic: keep a level of strife in a region and you can keep your presence and get what you want. Why did France give the Syrian Iskanderun to Turkey? Why did England divide Iraq and Kuwait? France and England adopted borders that harm the Middle East to protect their interests and their presence. Israel does the same.

Israel has created situations that have kept the Arab revolt at a slow boil to justify its imperialist actions. The way it treated the Hamas government is a great example. When Hamas came to power, sanctions were immediately imposed on it, under the justification that a Hamas-led government would attempt to destroy Israel. Granted, Hamas has always advocated the demolition of the Israeli state, but so did Fatah before it came to power and simmered down. Hamas was never given the chance.

The ramifications of the sanctions were always quite clear - by denying the Palestinians their democratically-elected government and pushing them further into poverty, you would ignite revolt. In a way, this is what the Olmert-led government wanted. Look at the prelude Olmert's trip to Washington, when he outlined his unilateral plan to draw the borders of the West Bank. He would not have been able to do that with a functioning Palestinian government and a lack of civil unrest. Peace would have meant that he would have to be diplomatic. Bombing families on the beach in Gaza and igniting Palestinian resistance means it can do what it wants.

The same holds true in Lebanon. Lebanon has never signed a peace treaty with Israel, and I believe it's mostly Israel's fault. After Israel withdrew from Lebanon six years ago - due to Hizbullah's resistance - it continued to violate Lebanese sovereignity. Israeli planes have flown daily into Lebanese airspace. Just a month ago, an Israeli spy network was uncovered in Lebanese territory. Israel still occupies the Chebaa Farms (Sure, it points to UN reports that say the Chebaa Farms are Syrian, but Syria says they're Lebanese, and Israel only listens to teh UN when it's in their favor). And don't forget the of Lebanese detained in Israeli prisons, denied prisoner of war status outlined in the Geneva Convention, and often without charges or trials.

All that, plus the fact that 400,000 Palestinian refugees are still in Lebanon, pushed out of Israel, which Israel refuses to take accountability for. I won't even go into that.

Israel has said that it will keep bombing because Hizbullah is a threat to it. But let's get it straight - Hizbullah is a threat to Israel because Israel has been a threat to Lebanon. It is not Lebanon that has been inading Israeli territory for the last few decades. No Lebanese spy network has been uncovered. Lebanon does not occupy Israeli land. Lebanon, other than the two soldiers abducted by Huzbullah, holds no Israeli prisoners.

Hizbullah has said repeatedly that it will disarm when Israel is no longer a threat to Lebanon and it leaves Lebanese territory. And, unlike many other parties in Lebanon, Hizbullah tends to stick to its word. Israel had a possiblity for peace.

Would it have been so hard to treat Lebanon like a sovereign nation? Did Israel really expect peace to come about through acting like a bully?

Israel didn't want the easy way out. It wanted this to happen. It was egging on Hizbullah until something like this could happen and it could impose its sadistic will. This is how post-Sharon Israel works.

33 Comments:

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:14:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

YOu simply don't know but since 2000 hizballah has killed about 10 Israelis, captured 1 and wounded many others all inside Israeli borders (and this is before the recent attack inside our border which involved kidnapping 2, killing 3 and wounding several civilians). After this you complain about recon flights? the hizballah has NO respect for israeli borders or soverignty. I don't know what they tell you in Lebanon but it's not close to the truth.
I don't know what you think about HAMAS but they DO NOT recognize Israel or Israel right to exist. What exactly should we talk about with them? We have pulled out completly from Gaza (including dismantling all the settelments there)and what did we get? peace? no, we got qasam rockets on our cities. Is this desire for peace? we pull out of lebanon and get katiushs, we pull out of Gaza we get Qasams? it amazes me that you hate Israel so much, yet know ABSOLUTLY nothing about us. Know I understand why we are so hated by arabs, you are being lied to all the time!

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:31:00 PM, Blogger Sir Glubb said...

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At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:32:00 PM, Blogger HARBOOK said...

i know that you invaded a land that was not your own, which we were willing to share in the 30's and 40's. i know that zionism is rascism. i know that even israeli arabs are discriminated against. i know that the palestinians are a plaything. what else do i need to know. when has israel initiated peace with an arab state. when has it stood up for one arab, to prove that it does not hate. when has it promoted anything helpful in the world. name one thing. you can't. um madrid conference, shamir was a monkey. oslo, rabin started breaking bones. camp david, barak couldnt decide on jerusalem or a right of return. please use the facts instead of stating that we're being lied to all the time. you are the mouth from which it spews forth. peace my ass.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:34:00 PM, Blogger Sir Glubb said...

"Hizbullah has said repeatedly that it will disarm when Israel is no longer a threat to Lebanon and it leaves Lebanese territory."

Ah, hello. Israel left years ago.

"And, unlike many other parties in Lebanon, Hizbullah tends to stick to its word. Israel had a possiblity for peace."

Oh, really. Then why did Hizb cross into Isreal, ambush a patrol and take two
prisoners? Was that part of the peace plan.


"Would it have been so hard to treat Lebanon like a sovereign nation?"

The Lebanese government does not have sovereignty in the southern part of the country.
It is controlled by a militia. That should have been disarmed per UN resolutions

"Did Israel really expect peace to come about through acting like a bully?"

A bully is someone who picks on weaklings for no reason. A competent government is one
that acts to defend their population from external threats. Israel is the latter.

"Israel didn't want the easy way out. It wanted this to happen. It was egging on Hizbullah until something like this could happen and it could impose its sadistic will."

Yes, that is why the majority of the ARAB world (notice I didn't say muslim) has given
tacit approval to the Israeli action.


It is high time that people stopped the old Arafat trick of talking out of both sides of their mouth. i.e. threatening and attacking Israel and then crying to the international community when Israel responds.

There is no country on earth that would allow another country to violate its borders and capture two of its soldiers without responding.

One can argue that the Lebanese government wasn't involved. But i think your post does a good job of describing Hizb as part of the Lebanese government. In any case, the Lebanese government is either impotent (it couldn't stop Hizb) or complicit (it wouldn't stop Hizb) and as a consequence they are getting their proverbial asses handed to them.



Let us hope that peace comes to the region in short order.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:03:00 PM, Blogger Don Cox said...

"I know that you invaded a land that was not your own, which we were willing to share in the 30's and 40's. "____Unfortunately, the Arabs were _not_ willing to share. They killed hundreds of Jews in Palestine in the 1930s, and Arafat's uncle went to Germany to encourage Hitler to solve the "Jewish problem" there, rather than allow any immigration at all into Palestine.___At that time the land was legally British territory, before that it was Turkish - so it was not up to the Arabs to say who could live there.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:11:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Harbook I am sorry but so much of what you say is simply not true. I will give you some points and please find a neutral history book and check it:
-"i know that you invaded a land that was not your own, which we were willing to share in the 30's and 40's"
what did we invade with?? we didn't have any army, not even police. We have purchased land from arabs until 1948. The ARABS never wanted to share in 1947 the jews have agreed to the UN partition plan but the arabs refused!! arabs attacks against jews in "british" palestine began in the 1920s (example hebron massacre) and only because of this the jews created the HAGANAH (what would become the IDF).
-"zionism is racism" zionism is the national movement of the jewish people it is not more or less racist than the german national movement, the french national movement or the palestinian national movement.
-"when has israel initiated peace with an arab state. when has it stood up for one arab, to prove that it does not hate" WE HAVE PEACE with egypt and Jordan. We have given up the Sinai desert not because we lost a war but because we WANT peace! I implore you prove me wrong. The things i have written here are FACTS i can give you links to Wikipedia, I can recommend books about this things.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:51:00 PM, Blogger blogagog said...

I fully support Israel's right to defend itself so don't take this the wrong way. Zionism is most certainly racism. The fact that jews across the world have automatic citizenship in Israel, while no other ethnic/religious background is definitively racist.

And be fair - In the war in 1948, neither side's hands were clean. the only difference is the jews won. The arab's unwillingness to share started the thing, but there were many arab villages raided for the sole purpose of scaring the arabs into fleeing across the borders so Israel could take the land.

Of course that happened so long ago that it's time to let it go, but it looks like the Palestinians disagree with me.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:54:00 PM, Blogger Solomon2 said...

It was egging on Hizbullah until something like this could happen and it could impose its sadistic will. This is how post-Sharon Israel works.

By posting pacific troops at the border? Why should anybody listen to you? Because we are supposed to value your ego over what really is happening, at the expense of hundreds or thousands of people's lives?

Do you think G-d will forgive you for clouding the truth?

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:56:00 PM, Blogger Solomon2 said...

Israel wants peace. Lebanon should want peace. To do that now requires alliance with Israel. Together the Hezbollah terrorist element can surely be stamped out, Lebanon's Army and democracy strengthened, and Israel withdraw back into its own territory.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:58:00 PM, Blogger Erick said...

What Lebanese lands does Israel occupy? They occupy the West Bank (palestine) and Golan Heights (Syria). What part of Lebanon do they occupy?

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:00:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

blogagog I must respectfully disagree about one point. Many nations in the world have citizenship laws that favor immigration of people of certain "blood" (greece and germany for example). If they are racist than I guess I can live with it.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:04:00 PM, Blogger a h m a d said...

Al-Fil, great post. No one could have said it any better. Thumbs up.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:26:00 PM, Blogger moriclanuser said...

How was israel egging Hizbullah on? It didn't do anything on the north border since 2000, despite continuing katyusha launches, raids, etc. Remember that time Hizbullah drove in in jeeps into israel half a year ago? did israel respond?

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:33:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

moriclanuser
I fear that the amount of denial and lack of knowledge in this forum is immense.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:35:00 PM, Blogger Lazarus said...

It didn't do anything on the north border since 2000

thanks for that joke. i think i laughed for the first time in the past week!

keep them coming.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:36:00 PM, Blogger Al-Fil said...

I can't believe Ahmad and I agree on something. ;)

And to a lot of you guys who responded, it seems like you didn't even read what I wrote. Israel does occupy Lebanese land - the Chebaa Farms. It has violated Lebanese territory daily. It has hundreds of Lebanese prisoners. That is egging Hizbullah on.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:36:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

"It didn't do anything on the north border since 2000"

u forgot fake air raids or spying purposes above beirut and lebanon?

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:09:00 PM, Blogger a h m a d said...

Al-Fil, we agree on more things that we thought. ;)

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:09:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

1) hundreds of lebanese prisoners??
as far as I know we have three including Kuntar, a man who has murdered a family including bashing a little girl's head with his rifle. How can you claim you value human life and honestly say you want him back??
2) Indeed I know there were several recon flights over Lebanon, but what you seem to forget is that for the last six years Hizbalah has attacked across our border and killed several men, soldiers and civilians. How can you condemn recon flights but be so tolerant of murder. Don't you think this eggs us on??
3) Sheba farms. most israelis don't know or care if it's syrian, lebanese or belongs to aliens. We don't want it and don't need it. The point is that's the international border. Hizballah doesn't recognize Israel and can claim another part of the border as lebanese. A clear line must be drawn and the international line is the only one that can be recognized by bth sides. Maybe if there was peace we could return the farms without violating the principal as a "good will measure" but it's just an idea, I can't promise that.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:26:00 PM, Blogger Dirk said...

I realise you are angry and pissed off at what's happening in your country and fair enough.

But mate, I just don't know where to start in responding to what you're saying:

The way it treated the Hamas government is a great example

That would be the Hamas Government which is committed to pushing the Israelis out of "Northern Palestine" (as the speaker of the Iranian Parliament put it today).

Lebanon has never signed a peace treaty with Israel, and I believe it's mostly Israel's fault

As if that was ever on the cards, even if a section of Lebanese society actually wanted it. Would the puppet masters in Syria who as you know ran the show until a year ago, ever have allowed such a thing?

Israel still occupies the Chebaa Farms

The January 20, 2005 UN Secretary-General's report on Lebanon explicitly stated: "The continually asserted position of the Government of Lebanon that the Blue Line is not valid in the Shab'a farms area is not compatible with Security Council resolutions. The Council has recognized the Blue Line as valid for purposes of confirming Israel’s withdrawal pursuant to resolution 425 (1978). The Government of Lebanon should heed the Council’s repeated calls for the parties to respect the Blue Line in its entirety."

It was egging on Hizbullah until something like this could happen and it could impose its sadistic will

There's a big difference between saying that the Israeli action is stupid, pointless and wrong and saying that they are "blood suckers" or "sadists."

You're not a million miles away from the "Zionist entity" screeching you hear in a lot of the Arab world. Once you've reached that point, you've pretty much lost credibility

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:58:00 PM, Blogger Igal said...

I don't want to repeat previous comments, just "funny" fact - not only you don't like Olmerts "unilateral plan to draw the borders of the West Bank", but also many people from right wing against it, some of them hate arabs, it is strange, no?

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:43:00 AM, Blogger Ryan said...

Whatever your position on the politics of the region, the fact is that their is no proportion between the kidnapping if the Israeli soldiers and Israel's massive bombing and massacre campaign in Lebanon. I know rockets are now landing in Israeli towns, but that is retaliation for Israel's bombing all over Lebanon.
Israel doesn't want peace!

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:06:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Ryan Hizballa has used rockets in the initial attack as diversions and has wounded few israeli civilians. Hisballah is not a standng army, they don't prance around in uniforms in Lebanon. it is their human shield policies that cause most of the civilian death.
Let me also tell you something you won't like: there is no proportion in war, and in the second the Hizballah crossed our border it's war. My best example for you is your own pearl-Harbor. it was a purly military target. should the US count how many ships they had lost and sink the same number for proportion?? You know full well that the US didn't imit itself to military targets against Japan (and it would have been easier for you since the imperial japanese army didn't hide behind the skirts of their women and children.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:37:00 AM, Blogger Ryan said...

shmulik,
I wouldn't compare what Israel is doing to American actions, if your aim is to defend the Israeli bombardment of Lebanon. The firebombing and nuking of Japanese cities were criminal action by the US. I am an American citizen, and I think those actions were evil. I hope you don't think morality has anything to do with my government's imperialist agenda all over the world. The USA knew full well what Hitler was doing to the Jews and did not lift a finger to save them, so I don't understand why you would defend Israel by citing the US.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:45:00 AM, Blogger Ryan said...

Oh, Shmulik, one more thing. Today, Pres. Carter's national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, was on PBS' Newshour. He said at the time the first Likud prime minister came to power in Israel. When Brzezinski first met the Likud PM of Israel, the PM told him he did not believe there was such a thing as a Palestinian or a Palestine. He was saying Palestine did not have a right to exist next to Israel, much like what Hamas has said regarding the existence of Israel. Did the United States announce sanctions on the Likud govt? NO!! Pres. Carter worked with the Likud PM and over time their party moderated. The same thing would likely happen with Hamas, but they have not been given the time or the chance to moderate. This reveals how hollow the Israeli and American condemnation of Hamas is. It is all hypocrisy.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:55:00 AM, Blogger PalestinianINnyc said...

Shmulik... They say that Israel respects united nation resolutions her are some from 1955 to 1992 are these facts wrong or did the united nation web site lie to me too

A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel"

1955-1992:
* Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
* Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
* Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
* Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
* Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
* Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
* Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
* Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
* Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
* Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
* Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
* Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
* Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
* Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
* Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
*Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
* Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
* Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
* Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
* Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
* Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
* Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
* Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
* Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
* Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
* Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
* Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
* Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
* Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
* Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
* Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians".
* Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
* Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
* Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
* Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
Palestinian mayors".
* Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility".
* Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
* Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
* Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
* Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
* Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in".
* Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
* Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
* Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
* Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters.
* Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
* Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
* Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
* Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
* Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
* Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
* Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
* Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
* Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
* Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
* Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
* Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
and calls for their immediate return

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:33:00 AM, Blogger BeefStu said...

palestinianinnyc, you've got to be joking. The UN never met a despot, dictator, or con-man that they didn't love, and the more anti-Israel the better. You need a better source, too, because you've listed non-binding U.N. resolutions which means they're mostly just rants from the many Joooooo haters in the General Assembly. Resolution 1559, however, is a Security Council resolution and just a bit more meaningful.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:41:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Ryan
three points
1) I am not saying we should act like the US, and indeed we are targeting Hizballah, civilians are hurt because of the fact hizballah uses human-shield policy and honest although tragic mistakes. If you kbow what modern weapons can do when used against civilians than the death toll altough tragic supports my claim.
2) Did you condem russian in Chechnia? French in Algiers? China in tibet? Lybia in chad? Syria in Lebanon? and many others.
3) It's very easy to sit in the US on land you took from indians (after massacring both them and the buffalos), drive your car on oil Bush "stole" from the arabs and feel "bad" about it. Maybe you condem your goverment, but each day you live in the US you benefiet from their crimes.

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:06:00 AM, Blogger Ryan said...

I don't drive a car; I use mass transit, and I have native american blood in my veins, as well. I didn't choose to be born in the United States, so you cannot blame me for my citizenship. I voted against Bush and demonstrated against the war. I speak out about American crimes in Iraq to my family and my friends. I could do much more but the fact is that Israel uses human shields of their own during their operations in the Occupied Territories. If powerful Zionist interests didn't have so much power on the US government, our support of Israel's apartheid regime would end.
Long Live Lebanon!

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:48:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Ryan
Do you think your mass-transportation doesn't use oil bush "stole"?? You don't have a car because of political ideology or because you can't afford one?? Did you demonstrate when Sadam mustard gassed the kurds, whiping out entire villages with thousnds dead?? You know "Ali the chemist" didn't get this nickname by inventing medicine. Did you demonstrate when papa Assad murdered the entire city of Hama killing 20,000 people?? Yet you flip when Israel kills 350 civilians and militants in a complicated strike against international terroists who hide behind women's skirts. This is a textbook example of double-standard and hypocricy that no amount of native-american blood can justify.

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:05:00 PM, Blogger Ryan said...

I was ten years old in 1992. You expect a child to protest?

 
At Friday, July 21, 2006 4:14:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Ryan
Do you think really horrible, not-disambigous warcrime you can protest against ended in 1992?
Let me give you examples from the top of my head (and checking exact dates in wikipedia)
-russians in Grozny, cechnia 96 & 99
-Indonesia in east timor 75-99
-Huto & tutsi,Rwanda 94
-Sudan in Darfur 2003-?
I have stated only places where it's obvious horrible things have happened, if I'll broad the sheet to questionable the list will go on and on and this is only from memory.
Don't think that I condone war-crimes just because a 3rd country did it but it is a bit odd that after Grozny (and other stuff) the russians condemn us for excesive force. I think the war in Iraq wasn't the smartest idea Bush junior had, but if you use the same bodybag math israel is accused with ("There are more lebanese/palestinians/ fill the blank dead than israelis, so Israel is BAAAD") than you should support the war in Iraq. If you average the yearly death toll of Saddam's regime it's much higher than today, even with all the wicked terroism/US troops there. I hope this shows to you how redicilous this bodybag math is.

 
At Friday, July 21, 2006 4:27:00 PM, Blogger Nightstudies said...

Arabs always claim to be 100% innocent victims, and always find some outsider to blame for everything.

Really, this is disgusting.

 

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