1.4.05

They've done it again

Another explosion. This time in Broumana. Preliminary reports say it was in the parking of Rizk Plaza.

No details are available to me at this time. I will update as soon as I find anything out.

update: Eyewitness reports claim that the bomb resulted in extensive damage and several casualties.

24 Comments:

At Saturday, April 02, 2005 3:41:00 AM, Blogger liminal said...

To be completely frank, I feel like these bombs are happening to scare people. First off, they're happening late at night at places populated by foreigners. They're not big enough to make people go insane and start something resembling a civil war, nor are they small enough to make people feel confident they can go in the streets. It's a very sick game. That's my gut.

 
At Saturday, April 02, 2005 4:46:00 AM, Blogger Tempest said...

Right on the money, lim. The whole point behind them is to promote fear, and the idea that Lebanon is unstable. That's why I can ascertain (with no guilty conscience) that this is the work of proSyrian thugs in Lebanon, doing the bidding of their lord in Damascus. As I said ages ago, I believe that these are the dying embers of a dying age.

 
At Saturday, April 02, 2005 5:00:00 AM, Blogger End racism said...

Who's "they" in "They've done it again", Tempest? And do you know something that we don't? Please do tell.

 
At Saturday, April 02, 2005 6:27:00 AM, Blogger liminal said...

I don't really think the major point is who "they" are at the moment. We can deduce with some sense of accuracy that it does not help the opposition.

Right?

At least, I certainly don't think it helps the cause of getting the pro-Syrian intel chiefs to resign. And they've simply gotta go. All 7 of them.

It's just my opinion.

-silly me

 
At Saturday, April 02, 2005 6:28:00 AM, Blogger liminal said...

And people are clearly recoiling in Lebanon. Hey, even here people have withdrawn somewhat.

ya know?

 
At Saturday, April 02, 2005 6:48:00 AM, Blogger End racism said...

"We can deduce with some sense of accuracy that it does not help the opposition."

Following that logic, the Hariri assassination did not help the Syrians.

"I certainly don't think it helps the cause of getting the pro-Syrian intel chiefs to resign."

How so? On the contrary, that is exactly what it does. It "demonstrates" that they OUGHT to resign.

 
At Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:19:00 AM, Blogger finkployd said...

4 videos and other media ref the explosion, see:
http://www.bloggingbeirut.com

finkployd

 
At Saturday, April 02, 2005 2:02:00 PM, Blogger Tempest said...

You talking to me Dan? Hehe. Sorry, I don't do requests.

Lim, it's true that it may seem as if things have cooled off, but actually, it's more like everyone resigning to their fate. Syrians announced that they would be completely out of Lebanon by next week, talk of elections, of finally governing without Syrian intervention, hope, etc... That, and the fact that people are worried (but not deterred) by the bombs, have led to this somber mood. It's all good, though. It's all good.

 
At Saturday, April 02, 2005 2:14:00 PM, Blogger liminal said...

No, I'm afraid you can't come up with that argument based on the logic of an incredibly different event. And yet again, I can see you enjoy operating with dyslogistic sentiments specially made for those you don't agree with. Don't you know it will get you no where in such arguments. When your premise exisits tangentially, as above, you have no real place to begin proving it. So, if you'd like to speak about logic, first give me your own premise.

There isn't sound logic when you give analogy of yesterday's bomb with the one on 14 Feb. It doesn't ring a solitary note with me when you present a bogus corollary logic.

Mars, I urge you to please make correllations that make sense and aid your premise before making the leap toward logic.

Honestly, I don't understand what you're saying. It makes no sense.


Anyway, alll I'm saying (if I must restate my self) is thatthese bombs in Christian neighborhoods are only allowing the current government to stall and stall and stall, then postpone elections, and stall some more. I believe that this is the direction we're heading. It's a method to cause problems whose effects will be positive for Syria. These effects cannot possibly be positive for the opposition.


When such bombings occur, we here voices out of the corrupt intel services(and the defense minister) that says that now lebanon looks as though it needs syria to stay. Yea, give me a frigggin break. It's a really simple and linear cause and effect tactic they are taking and it's not fooling anybody. Look, we need to save those poor Christians from those terrorists bombs. Well, who's the terrorist in this bannana republic?

Well, I say the intelligence services are the most well-trained and funded terrorists in Lebanon. They could hardly care less about the people.

How's that application for Hizbullah coming along Marsden? When does training start?

 
At Saturday, April 02, 2005 2:20:00 PM, Blogger liminal said...

Hey Temp,,

Well, I dunno...I would be very surprised if there were not some seriously sketchy deals being made just to make sure Lebanon does not fly off the handle. ANd there are other plans ...anyway, I have the feeling like it's very busy. I'm suspicious and there's that eerie feeling I wish I could just shake.

Still that foreboding...there's definitely political shake up going on at the moment.

Let's see what happens today.

 
At Saturday, April 02, 2005 9:12:00 PM, Blogger End racism said...

Liminal, what makes no sense? We're talking about what has helped WHOM. It is obvious that if you're going to argue on the lines of "the bombings in Christian areas are not helping the opposition", then you can also argue that the bombing of Hariri's convoy didn't help the Syrians and the "loyalists" AT ALL. In fact, the latter could be argued more firmly than the former! What does correlation have anything to do with this, I am not sure.

You tell me that the bombings give a "reason" for Syria to stay, well, that's from YOUR perspective, but many people I've talked to, and many of the articles I've read have a completely different (and opposing) view on that one. It is argued that Syria needs to withdraw and the government resign exactly because of these "security" failings.

Anyway, it is obvious that those bombings are not done with the intention to kill. If indeed those "terrorists" were behind it, what's stopping them from carrying out those attacks in the morning when there will surely be many deaths? They killed Hariri alright, did they not? What's stopping them from killing some civilians?

And as for Hezballah, I am not in Lebanon yet. In a month and a half I will be and will hopefully be joining. :) At any rate, why are you so pissed off / sarcastic about that? I thought you were one of those "I was also against the "Israeli" occupation of Lebanon" people... I guess you forgot that actions speak louder than words, huh?

 
At Saturday, April 02, 2005 10:42:00 PM, Blogger liminal said...

Marsden,

A bit circular, don't you think?

Refer to my first comment. It answers your latest. I'm sorry, but everybody doesn't look at the world as you do.

And over a million people or more want Syria's military and intelligence out of Lebanon. Those same people want a purging of the highest intelligence officials because of their failure to protect Lebanese and specifically because of their failure on 14 Feb. If you know a more practical way of going about it...other than letting Hizbullah take over Lebanese politics, please enlighten us.

Please understand me, I hate it when religion and politics mix together. Thus, Hizbullah is exactly like Bush and his right-wing Christian fundamentalist supporters to me. Capisce?

That's how I look at it.

Enjoy your training! Seems like it could be perfect timing if you want some action.

out,

 
At Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:41:00 PM, Blogger End racism said...

Refer to my first comment.
Your first comment makes no sense. This isn't about how I or anyone else thinks. This is about applying the same standards to more than 5 bombings that took place in Lebanon.

And over a million people or more want Syria's military and intelligence out of Lebanon.
I assume you counted. How about giving me an exact number, then? 1,534,312? Have you even seen what 1 million people gathered together would look like? How on earth would 1 million fit into the Martyrs' Square, or even downtown Beirut? Moreover, the media said the same about a previous "pro-Syrian" rally, but all of you were making jokes about the "1 million". Why so selective? Either the media is biased or it is not. You can't pick & choose.

other than letting Hizbullah take over Lebanese politics
And what exactly is wrong with that? I thought you believed in democracy. Oh wait, you believe in it only when it suits your pathetic so-called patriotic agendas.

Please understand me, I hate it when religion and politics mix together. Thus, Hizbullah is exactly like Bush and his right-wing Christian fundamentalist supporters to me. Capisce?
No different than your beloved so-called "opposition", which consists of warlords and sectarian leaders. Walla, ma ba3ref shoo khass el Batryark Sfeir b shoo 3am biseer b Lebnen. I hope you can enlighten me. Or maybe not. After all, anyone who criticises your double standards is simply going "in circles".

And action? I don't care about action in Lebanon. Nor does Hezballah for that matter. But why am I not surprised at what you're saying, after all, all the "opposition" has been doing is kissing American (the same right-winger Christian fascists, in case you forgot) and French arse and demonising Hezballah.

I still would like to hear more about the so-called "opposition" and "Independence 2000" when the "Israelis" were still occupying Lebanon.

 
At Sunday, April 03, 2005 12:15:00 AM, Blogger QArab said...

Marsden

You got it right... for the so-called Lebanese Opposition.. it's Democracy, but only our way.. freedom, only our way... add to that the belief that Syria is behing anything and anyone who disagrees with the opposition.

Soon, they will paint Jumblatt as pro-Syrian since he dropped his support to UN resolution 1559

 
At Sunday, April 03, 2005 4:51:00 AM, Blogger liminal said...

I just think we need to separate religion and politics in the Near East and elsewhere. And I'm not so shallow-headed to think there isn't similar mixing of religion and politics inside Lebanon with Christians. I don't think, however, Hizbullah is the answer to our problems. You believe it is. I simply disagree. I'm sorry if you don't like it.

As for the bombings...well, I'm suspicious at them being so similar. And I don't think that's so strange.

And double-standards...please. You think democracy will lead to Nasrallah taking over in Beirut? That's a silly notion indeed.

 
At Sunday, April 03, 2005 5:22:00 AM, Blogger liminal said...

You're kissing Hizbullah ass. I'm no ass-kisser m.

Eat my shorts.

hehe.

 
At Sunday, April 03, 2005 6:54:00 AM, Blogger End racism said...

I don't think, however, Hizbullah is the answer to our problems. You believe it is.
Where did I say Hezballah is an answer to our problems? Hezballah is simply for defense, and is good at that, and more importantly, is needed for that at the moment. But having said that, Hezballah was INDEED the answer to the problems of many Lebanese whom the "Lebanese Army" apparently did not consider Lebanese enough to fight and die for and to liberate those lands. So then you're NOW telling me that they should disarm? You know what, if the South wanted to separate from Lebanon, I would support them. Why? For the simple reason that no Maronite or Sunni or Druze (speaking on sectarian lines because they prefer it that way) ever whined about the "Israeli" occupation or made any effort to mobilise the Lebanese Army. So there.

You think democracy will lead to Nasrallah taking over in Beirut? That's a silly notion indeed.
What are you so afraid of then? Let's have our referendum on the issue of disarming Hezballah, and we'll see who will take over Beirut, Nasrallah or Sfeir. Shoo ra2yak? ;)

 
At Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:06:00 AM, Blogger liminal said...

Oh man, South Lebanon is now seceding?

So, you're not saying Hizbullah is the answer to ALL Lebanon and ALL Lebanese's problems?

Boy you confuse me. Cause you sure sound like you do. I mean you're joining in a month or so aren't you?

Good luck in forming the independent state of South Lebanon.

You crazy boy!

And you also think there is no Lebanese Army. Um, ok sure. And Hizbullah isn't an Islamic movement that doesn't care about gay rights (like the Pope), right?

Don't accuse people of double standards when you aren't willing to answer to your own.

Ciao baby

 
At Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:21:00 AM, Blogger callipyge said...

The day Hezb' takes over in Leb will be the day I will burn my passport.
These words come from a Muslim.

For that reason, I don't think true democracy is what is best for Lebanon. We will need to keep a semblance of Taef in order to keep the multisectarian thing going and preserve Beirut from turning into a mini-Tehran.

Hezb might be looking all cute and nice now, but the thought of them having more power than they do right now makes me shudder.

 
At Monday, April 04, 2005 6:23:00 AM, Blogger End racism said...

So, you're not saying Hizbullah is the answer to ALL Lebanon and ALL Lebanese's problems?
No one party can ever ben the answer to all the problems in one country. It's never been that way and never will be.

And you also think there is no Lebanese Army.
I didn't say there is no Lebanese Army. But if the army were Lebanese, it should've attempted to free the South, and if it didn't, then that means it did not consider it part of Lebanon. Now it wants to disarm the Hezballah in Lebanon? Umm?

And Hizbullah isn't an Islamic movement that doesn't care about gay rights (like the Pope), right?
Well, I don't care about that. I am not going to worship Hezballah. But I will join and fight against "Israel" if necessary, and will keep my sexuality to myself too. I do not agree with a lot of things that Hezballah believes in. They are not perfect. I criticise them a lot. But that does not mean I don't respect them. I respect them a lot for what they've done, because other parties that criticise them and want to see them disarmed haven't done and don't even dream of doing the same that Hezballah has done. Of course there are many bigots in Hezballah. There are bigots everywhere, and I don't see why Hezballah would be free of bigots. But I don't turn the whole thing into religion. If Hezballah is no longer good enough, I would shed one tear for it. That, my friend, is called politics.

 
At Monday, April 04, 2005 6:26:00 AM, Blogger End racism said...

haha, Freudian slip I suppose, I meant to say: I wouldn't shed one tear for it. ;)

 
At Tuesday, April 05, 2005 6:43:00 PM, Blogger Aneryi said...

Hi Iam Greek born in Lebanon and please Free Lebanon! Epitelous

 
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