22.9.06

Lots of Iranians, Syrians and Palestinians, and about 200 Lebanese

There are two shining spots in our otherwise gloomy history: Israel’s withdrawal from the South in May 2000, and the heroic resistance of the Lebanese people in July-August 2006.

Long live Lebanon.

78 Comments:

At Friday, September 22, 2006 9:51:00 PM, Blogger juila said...

Resistance is relative.

Israel has the power to have taken out that whole crowd on one order.

They have submarines that could ave taken out that whole hezzbolah rally and there is nothing hezbollah could have done about it.

I was in northern israel during the war. You fired 4,000 rockets and hit 43 israelis and 17 of them were palestinian arabs and 4 died of a heart attack. I wouidn't call it resistance I'd call it incompetence.

Israel's next leader bibi will take out the stage of hezbollah leaders at the next rally. What resistance hezbollah has zero surface to air power and they have no accurate rockets. They are pathetic. The first day of the war the hezbollah leadership gave away their positions by cell phone but you were lucky you had a kadima pm instead of a likud pm.

Who still holds sheeba farms.

Resistance is when you are attacked not when you start a war.

You started a war to free a child killer kuntar who bashed a 3 year
old girl's head in. You started the war firing rockets hitting homes and then firing anti tank missiles and setting landmines and kidnapping soldiers.

There is no such thing as resistance when you start a war.

You said the time period was july/august believe me in the near future hezbollah leaders will be assasinated. There are a lot of people not associated with olmert that will assaninate nasrallah own their own convictions. I have read many posts online of people that are in beirut and just waiting to start asassinating. Lebanon could turn into a mini iraq.

 
At Friday, September 22, 2006 9:57:00 PM, Blogger Andrey said...

What about 1990, 2005 ?

 
At Friday, September 22, 2006 10:10:00 PM, Blogger jij said...

I would like to ask the administrators of this blog (whoever they are) to more actively monitor some of the pro-Israeli comments that appear here. There is a fine line between "freedom of speech" and pornography. I know these comments usually have a certain comic value (see above), but still. Consider it like taking out the garbage. Every household should do it from time to time.

 
At Friday, September 22, 2006 11:49:00 PM, Blogger John Smith said...

jij

Deleting a comment just because you don’t agree with it is a sure way for a blog to go out of my Windows Explorer Favorites list.

Peace dude.

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 12:24:00 AM, Blogger jooj said...

Mr smith, those were not comments. Those were allegations that Israel could wipe out an entire nation and get away with it. That would be disturbing wishful thinking actually.

The admins are free to moderate the comments the way they like and you are free to maintain your Favourites list the way like

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 12:37:00 AM, Blogger Mirvat said...

we bitkhaffef!

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:05:00 AM, Blogger John Smith said...

To jooj

"Those were allegations that Israel could wipe out an entire nation and get away with it"

Where is it on juila's comment?

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:11:00 AM, Blogger Maya@NYC said...

Julia:
No one is denying Israel military supremacy. It’s exactly the military might of Israel that makes the Lebanese resistance and the outcome of this war more spectacular. Fact: Hezbollah is still here. Fact: Lebanese people survived and are going back to life.
We, Lebanese, whether Hezbollah partisans or not, consider this as a victorious outcome of the war. You are free on the other hand (democracy, you see, we are "learning"!), you are free to attribute these to the Lebanese resistance or to the Israeli incompetence. We will celebrate both (as the good neighbors that we are).
Your whole discussion is very adolescent-like “look at my daddy, he’s big and has a big car”. Ok, grow up and try to move into adult life. You have to understand that to survive in a region where you are a complete minority, you have to learn some basics ( as in common sense 101). Learn that you don’t deal with opposition by serial killings and abduction of deputees and ministers. You don’t deal with fear by shelling and killing civilians. You don’t retaliate to soldiers’ abduction by promising to turn the clock back on a whole country. Let "Bibi" use all his charisma, and all his savagery. Just as in this blog, in the Middle East, you are outnumbered sweetie. Better learn some manners.
And was that a threat of annihilation there? Do I hear anti-arab sentiment? Are you a young burgeoning racist? Or are you just trying to imitate Ahmadinejad? How pathetic.
The real victory from this war is that the Lebanese realized how much more human they are. How more tolerant of everyone else they are. And if resistance is relative, humanity shouldn’t be. And humanity, my friend, you lack.

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:27:00 AM, Blogger jij said...

what maya said.

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:36:00 AM, Blogger Maldoror said...

Maya@Nyc for president!

Juila,
I would love to see the Israeli government, in its new shape and leaders, venturing once more into the Lebanese South.
And if you persist on assassinating any Lebanese civilian, if we ever meet, I would personally take your head off, no orders needed.
I think you should deal with your internal issues first (sexual harassment,etc) before you come knocking on our doors again..And we will be waiting, stronger and more determined to make you eat your words..

Jij,
I, as an administrator, hear you! Don't worry.

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:03:00 AM, Blogger Someone from the other side said...

The redicilous comment of Julia has deviated the post from the original issue that indeed was interesting.

Were there a majority of foreginers or Lebanese in the demonstration?

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:07:00 AM, Blogger juila said...

To Maldoror you nasrallah, meshaal, assad, and iran need to understand israel will get tired of your bs one of these days.

For 6 years israel left lebanon and instead of building a future you waged attacks because of kuntar and syrian sheeba farms. This isn't resistance it is stockholm syndrome.

Haven't you noticed that israel's borders with egypt and jordan are quiet and israel and turkey aren't at war.

What a country that loves being used by syrian and iranian elements. Didn't you notice a week after the conflict there was another assanation attempt on a anti syrian intelligence officer.

This isn't resistance for 6 years hezbollah has been attacking.

2002: cross border attack in israel shooting up civilian cars killing 6 civilians.

2002: suicide bombing in israel killing 13

the first kidnappings after the israel withdrawal weren't answered. In 2000 3 soldiers were kidnapped and isreal didn't do anything every prisoner except the worst of the worst from the 70's were returned.

Don't you ask yourself why syria doesn't fight from their borders to get back syrian land instead of using lebanon as their proxy. Don't you wonder why assad does this? Do you care?

On the last point there is only so much provocation a democracy will take from the likes of hezbollah, syria and iran.

Israel warned lebanon govt in may that any more kidnapping attempts would lead to a response. Hezbollah had tried 5 other times to kidnap isreali soldiers in the last few years and the most recent had been last november where a kidnapping was thwarted at the last minute.

Also if you are going to fire rockets at homes and use that as a diversionary tactic then fire anti tank missiles and kill soldiers and then kidnap them don't whine about the response and don't talk about resistance. You started the conflict there was no resistance.

It was billegerance and adventurous.

On my last point israel will only be restrained so much from the likes of nasrallah, meshal, assad, and iran.

The first hours after the kidnappings israel had hezbollah's leadership tracked by communications olmert refused to pull the trigger and by thursday they had disappeared. A right wing politician like israel will have in the future will never have done that.

Hezbollah should also know that their is laser technology that will be able to stop their rockets.

And having hezbollah in your country is playing with fire. Hezbollah threatened to hit petro chemical plants in israel. Several rockets just missed amonia tanks which would have killed 10,000 in the haifa region.

Iran, syria and hezbollah in lebanon will one day find out that it isn't smart for non nuclear powers to mess with nuclear powers. Meshal, nasrallah, assad should look what happened to japan when they crossed a red line.

You have to ask yourself is it really resistance or are you just being used as a tool to keep the mullahs in power in iran and free the golan for assad. Hezbollah was attacking the last six years for syrian land and iran not lebanon.

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:25:00 AM, Blogger juila said...

Is having your beach filled with oil worth fighting for assad's golan heights and kuntar?

No more fish for a decade off lebanon.

Western tourism crippled.

Cancerous toxin clound from the burning fuel tanks burned for over two weeks and the dust went all over beirut. When it rains it will go into the water tablet and it will hurt hezbollah from having kids to be able to be martyrs at a young age.

Cluster bombs all over southern lebanon. Fields in southern lebanon covered in cluster bombs. NO harvest. Hezbollah was paying some farmers to fire rockets and hide them in the groves. Was this worth it?

Hezbollah was firing from mosques, schools, hospitals.

Hezbollah went into sunni villages during the spring and set up shops against the wishes of villagers. Middle of the night meetings.

Hezbollah would fire rockets in between homes in christian villages.

They would build new homes for villages but use bunkers underneath the homes and fire rockets behind the homes.

They used rockets with ball bearings, bolts, screwdrivers to maximize civilian deaths. They aimed rockets at resort areas like tiberias that had nothing to do with the conflict.

Out of the 43 rocket deaths 17 were palestinian arabs.

4,000 rockets and they only took out 26 jews. That isn't resistance that is incompetence.

If this was such a great victorfor hezbollah why didn't they get back sheeba farms.

Because they and syria use it as an issue.

One other thing israel stopped dozens of hezbollah infiltration attempts during the war, 8 suicide bombing attempts from hezbollah operatives in the west bank, 4 drones, and a truck bomb.

Some resistance when you have almost no surface to air power and can't fight out in the open. They can't take back sheeba farms because they can't fight in the open they hide in bunkers and stick their heads out and fire and go back and hide in civilian areas.

They didn't take out any of the artillery tanks right across the border. What kind of resistance has katusha rockets with no accuracy. katusha rockets aren't military weapons they are used to hit civilians they could never hit an artillery tank across the border or hit an air base. They are very little value militarily.

4,000 rockets and they got nothing out of it. So he has five times more those rockets are inaccurate and soon laser technology will be able to stop them.

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:45:00 AM, Blogger jij said...

maldoror ya3tik alf 3afiyeh habibi ;)

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:46:00 AM, Blogger Chas said...

Julia,
It really does not matter whether the claims of "victory" make any military sense or not. Personally I am sick of hearing the word from either side in respect of a conflict that was bloody, destructive, counterproductive, and unwanted by most Lebanese.
The mythology has changed, not the facts. The outcome of the war was that the myth of Israel's invincibility has died and the myth of Hizbollah's victory has been born. The problem is that, in human history, myths are often more important than facts.
Peace, Chas

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:25:00 AM, Blogger Maya@NYC said...

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At Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:25:00 AM, Blogger Rabie_Halad said...

Hey juila do you realise what you are saying? do you realise you are saying it is correct for Israel to kill +1000 civilians and like 600 LEBANESE children just because hezballah kidnapped 2soldiers? are you dumb? and If israel tried to wipe out lebanon with one hit...not only would the arab countries wipe out Israel, other countries will join the war against them...Israel for such a powerful country did nothing to Lebanon except genocide...and guess what your two soldiers are still sitting and watching the strength of the lebanese people and the way they have mastered reincarnation...naneenaneebooboo...Israel completely ruined its reputation, its name, its government's name in this war. May Israel have as many weapons as it wants It can't use half of them...and if it does it will create too many big problems for other leaders in the world. anyways Israel shouldn't exist, it's called Palestine, a stolen country, you will fall one day.

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:31:00 AM, Blogger Maya@NYC said...

Juila
Oh you’re entertaining.
First, I obviously owe you an apology. I called you Julia. I see it’s a Juila… as in juif-là? As in chui-la? As in identity crisis?
We obviously (we as in Arabs) will be waiting impatiently for the day where FINALLY, Israel will get tired of some Arab leaders BS. Why is Israel being so patient by the way?? I mean, some Palestinians are still alive!!
And Juila has heard of Stockholm Syndrome!!! One of the many syndromes you hope to spread into Arab populations, so that they worship that same hand that hits them; but so far you have failed to achieve that even in Jordan and Egypt. Israel and Turkey are not at war??? How magnanimous of Israel.

As for using history to prove your point, make sure your weapon doesn’t backfire. You have been occupying land since huh….48… you have been killing arabs since…huh…. 48…. You have been kidnapping not soldiers but civilians, politicians under the umbrella of terrorism since ….huh….yes .. 48… you have been feeding dissent and wars namely in Lebanon…. and you have gone unchecked for so many years. Don’t you believe in that old saying: eye for an eye? Now, this should be amended. Because you have been using 1000 pairs of eyes for 3 soldiers. Fair is fair.
We will take your input into our relationship with Syria into consideration.Tonight, we will all ask ourselves about Syria. Although I try not to, I will think about Assad Junior before going to sleep. I will beg the angels to send me an answer. And if they don’t, I will sleep anyway.
As for calling the current state of Israel a democracy, I think Plato is tossing and turning in his grave. He is not thinking about Syria, oh no….he is appalled by the “new democracy” that you claim. Where arabs are second rate citizens. A democracy that defines itself by its religion? Even the Vatican has a better democracy. And just how much provocation does this modern democracy take? Is it in kilograms? Or liters? How do you measure provocation? A bad hair day…would that be enough for Olmert to be provoked? And next time you think Iran and Syria are provoking you: 2 approaches: seek professional help, because these are symptoms of your paranoia, and second: attack them, instead of bullying the weaker country. Deal?

When you admit to keeping the Shebaa Farms, then you are implicitly justifying the role and the existence of Hezbollah (am not, you are!)
Interesting that insight into your politics: The first hours after the kidnappings israel had hezbollah's leadership tracked by communications olmert refused to pull the trigger and by thursday they had disappeared.
So basically, Olmert chose to bomb the airport, start destroying bridges and ruining infrastructure and ecosystem instead of going against “his” enemies. Very interesting. Was Olmert using Hezbollah as a reason to destroy Lebanon? Was that the plan from the beginning? To destroy our ecology?our tourism?our future? our past? To shower our land with cluster bomb? Can I have your signature at the bottom of this confession please? And someone call Annan…we have an insider’s admission of guilt. Because you do feel guilty, right??? Admitting to all those hideous crimes (our shores, our fish, our children, our land, our harvest, our tourism) must be very difficult for you. We admire your courage for publicly admitting your guilt.

Hezbollah used screwdrivers in their bombs?? That explains it…I have been looking for that screw driver for so long now. So instead of screwdrivers what did you send? Chemicals? Phosphorus? You let the wild evil imagination run, eh!?
Return to basics: resistance: an underground organization of a conquered or nearly conquered country engaging in sabotage and secret operations against occupation forces and collaborators.
by definition, underground….bunkers and all....
Nearly conquered country….return the Shebaa farms please…
Sabotage and secret operations….. you name it….
and you are threatening us and the world of another Pearl Harbor? Coooooooooool….
(Go to sleep Juila… may you dream of Assad Junior since you seem to be so obsessed with him).

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:35:00 AM, Blogger Maya@NYC said...

(Juila was threatenening us of another Hiroshima... the mistake is all mine...bad bad arab!)

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:46:00 AM, Blogger Mirvat said...

maya for president 3anjadd!

maldoror.. shway shway aw baleha eh jood :)

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 3:59:00 AM, Blogger Andrey said...

JiJ,
In ten days we, the jews will have (maybe mark, but certainly not celebrate) the holyday of yom kipur (used to call "the judjment day" on other than hebrew languages). Before that day, jews ask for forgivness from all the people that they have harmed (it doesn't metter if they are jews or not, and all those stories about "gentiles" are bullshit and false translations from hebrew used for cheap propoganda). Now, after my people have killed so much of yours civilians, I know that I am obliged to beg you (not jij - the lebanese) for forgivness, but it is hard to not use the word BUT (no,no hiding between civilians shit, just 9:30 12 july shelling north Israel + killing + capturing).
So, please forgive jme for:
(+) Not voting for a wise leader, a one who would uproot the reasons for HA legitimacy, rather than bomb everything.
(+) For sitting with my mouth open, from shock, watching so many people die, and not doing a thing to make it stop.
(+) For justifing the deeds of Israel, for the sole (and blind) reason that my country is at war and I am obliged to stand by it.

P.S. I don't write it to jij but to all the lebanese.

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 4:11:00 AM, Blogger Mirvat said...

andrey you've always been very kind, tried to be moderate and open minded and you always think about a solution for a real just peace.. we all do what we can but some things are bigger than us. this one lebanese has nothing on you but i really appreciate the gesture. happy yom kippur :)

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 4:17:00 AM, Blogger Andrey said...

mirvat
yom kipur isn't happy, it's actualy a very "gray" day :)

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 4:29:00 AM, Blogger Chas said...

Andrey,
good on you!

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 4:30:00 AM, Blogger Maya@NYC said...

one last comment (i know i have harassed this site enough for the day)....
our area will only prosper because of its people: moderate open minded people, like you Andrey and like many many others on both sides of the "wall"...
for our part of the world to prosper we need to be strong enough to give. give (back) land, give freedom, give the right to life. give Peace. the real peace.

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 5:11:00 AM, Blogger Maldoror said...

Dear Juila,
I want to watch your newly born baby being torn to pieces in front of your helpless eyes by a very "inaccurate" katiusha missile.
Then, I will start talking about long and durable PEACE with you and your people. Maybe then you will be more human.
P.S: I have nothing to do with H.A, I am just a normal Lebanese citizen who despises you!
P.S: Sorry, I couldn't put it in a more civilised manner :))

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 5:37:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

How funny it is to go look at a lebanese blog and see both the Israeli insane right wing (Julia) and gullible left wing (Andrey). It is pointless to debate victory in this matter because no side has managed to achive it's goals (both tactical and strategic).
We are probably going to have a few years of quiet on the israeli-lebanese border. As I see it Israel has nothing to look for in Lebanon, especially since it's not a cakewalk, while Nasarallah will not put his people through the fire again. This will give the lebanese time to try and put their house in order, and this is the real point: How does Lebanon views it's future and what do the lebanese want to achive tomarrow?

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 10:42:00 AM, Blogger hashem said...

After "what is occupation" and the rest, here comes Julia....yalla...they became creative in the names!
To whoever is posting under the name Julia, if Israel was in a position to wipe all this rally out, why did it stop short?
maybe because you respect civilian lives? no...the past month proved this is not the case.
The fact that you didn't acheive any objective in this war is so clear, and alot of those who attended the rally are celebrating this. At what expense, what is next in Lebanon, and other arguments are pure internal issues, and you have nothing to do with.

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:33:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Hashem

"The fact that you didn't acheive any objective in this war is so clear"
I don't think you are correct. Israel has achived two things. The first is the deployment of the lebanese army and UN troops to the south (Lebanon is perhaps the only nation in the world you have to force to depoly it's on army). The second (and far more important IMHO) is that the heavy damage to hizbollah itself and Lebnon (mainly shite areas) makes sure it will take many years before hizbollah will try something again (I can't see the future off-course but I remember Nasarallah's speech about him not doing the kidnapping if he knew the magnitude of the response. BTW what happens in Lebanon is in internal issue only as long as it stays IN Lebanon. The second hizbollah croses the blue line you are going to hrar from us.

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:53:00 AM, Blogger Xylocaine said...

SAD BUT TRUE...EVERYTHING that anybody said here...

BOTH PARTIES CLAIMING VICTORY?!!!

IT's ALL RELATIVE...

With DEATh and DEStruction....WE all LOSE...

Hizbulla won military because military objectives of israel were not achieved...but lost politically since he always refused that lebanese army be sent to the south yet now he had to accept....

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 1:31:00 PM, Blogger Someone from the other side said...

Again coming back to the original topic.
The titleof this post is:
"Lots of Iranians, Syrians and Palestinians, and about 200 Lebanese"

Is that true? or is it true to a certain extent?

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 2:31:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maya, Maldoror, Rabie
God Bless you

Julia
find something useful to do instead of wasting our time with (we could have dont this & that), well if you could have done this & that, why were your soldiers crying out of the battle field
maybe you should consider focusing on your soldier's instead of harassing each other at the parliament

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 4:12:00 PM, Blogger samantha said...

What objectives did Hezbollah meet.

Nasrallah's objective is to destroy israel from the sea to jordan river.

Nasrallah tried during the war to get back sheeba farms but the infiltrations were stopped numerous times due to the fact hezbollah can't fight in the open.

Nasrallah didn't get back kuntar or sheeba farms.

Nasrallah said he would attack the air force bases in israel by land and see what the pilots were like out of their planes. He used the words going after the castles in israel. Nasrallah's land objectives failed and he was forced to give up on them when the infiltration attempts were stopped.

His drone attacks failed.

His didn't hit one israel base or hit one israel military leader.

He didn't hit one israel weapons storage facility.

Nasrallah had said in the past that hezbollah's deterrence would protect homes in lebanon and would protect lebanon.

This war showed hezbollah has ZERO deterrence factor. F-16's can hit southern beirut at will. Helicopters can drop in all over lebanon at will. Navy commandos can come into tyre off the coast.

Nasrallah keeps saying hezbollah can protect they don't protect anything they bring more war.

What exactly did lebanon achieve. They used to be able to hide the radical elements in lebanon well that is no more. There is no east-west bridge in lebanon anymore the west will see you as a mini iran.

If you think the vision of an anti semite like hassan nasrallah a pro syrian and pro iranian radical is good for lebanon you are wrong. Why do you think the economy is not looking good in lebanon.

Lebanon is one messed up country. Don't you care about radicals asassinating anti syrian journalists, politicians. During the war hezbollah was saying they would after the war target anti syrian politicians don't you care. Guardian has the quotes.

This wasn't about 2 soldiers. They had hundreds of attacks in the last 6 years. First of all they didn't kidnap they fired anti tank missiles and rockets to kill during the first operation. For 6 years they had been attacking. Look at all the attacks the last 6 years. You did nothing about it then you whine when the other side reacts. Hezbollah had killed hundreds of israelis in suicide bombings, kidnappings, rockets, cross border raids shooting up civilians on and on.

But I can't expect much from a society that treats someone like kuntar who shot a girl's father laughed at her and then crushed her skull in as a hero. Aren't you embarrassed.

You talk about world opinion. The arab world will love you but you can forget about being looked at as a bridge to the east and west anymore. You will be seen as a mini iran. People slam bush but if you looked at the polls in america less than one percent supported hezbollah. If you think lebanon's image in the west improved you are crazy.

When people see nasrallah on tv rallies in beirut that is not a good image for lebanon to the west.

What is this victory. Cluster bombs, ruined beaches, cancerous toxins from gas tanks that will affect water for years and spread cancer.

People in southern lebanon are like living in prison with these cluster bombs. No harvest. No fish from the sea.

Talk about having the stockholm syndrome.

Hezbollah is a anti semitic group nasrallah wants all the jews in the world to move to israel so he can kill them they have museums in lebanon glorifying the holocaust.

Read some of their statements over the years about jews and if you think this reflects good on lebanon you are crazy. People talk about israel's image being hurt lebanon is now seen as a radical shitte lead iranian and syrian puppet state.

Aren't you embarrassed to be in a country that is so weak you have to bow down to radical militias that start wars for foreign entities that could care less about lebanon and even have gone after your good leaders and threatened to harm lebanon like assad.

Lebanese are crazy they suppoort a group like hezbollah who are allies with people that have murdered the good people of lebanon. They call people like jumblatt a jew just because he isn't for hezbollah. They murdered hariri because he was against that radical lahoud. Your real enemy is assad and why in the world you would want to be close to a faction that does his bidding is beyond me.

Lebanon after 2000 could have built a vibrant economy and lived in peace. You built up a war machine to keep attacking israel for syria's bidding. You would have thought after all the assasinations of officials, hariri, journalists from syria you would have said no more to syria and hezbollah. But you left assad still using the hezbollah tool of his. Assad doesn't care about lebanon he wants to destroy moderate elements in lebanon. The guy even blocked his borders with you. He cares about his own interests and he uses lebanon for his own goals. Why don't you have a national debate the last six years forcing hezbollah to disarm.

Israel has left all of lebanese land according to the UN. If you had grievances take it to the UN. Israel is holding 3 prisoners. Syria is holding dozens of lebanese prisoners are you going to war with them. Kuntar came in 1979 how is it resistance starting a war to free someone like him.

You have this hezbollah group come into sunni villages and take them over with their weapons against the wishes of villagers. You have them use civilians as human sheilds and block them from leaving.

The top un coordinator heard them bragging how many civilians were being killed.

They are evil they are tools of iran. Iranian foreign minister cam to check out their camps. Iran built the bunkers. Assad brought in the weapons. They go to Iran to train. Iran funds them 300 million a year.

Think of what that money could have done. Unfortunately assad's father died and the first son died in a car crash so the new son came in and has been a disaster for the region.

In 2001 after israel had left he decided to bring in all these weapons and allow iran access for his own goals not lebanon's goals. Israel and syria are enemeis let him fight from his side of the border instead of using lebanon but he won't do that because that would hurt syria and he would then be a target so he uses leabanon and goes after any moderate voice in lebanon.

Syria won't even mark the border with lebanon because they know that sheeba farms is syrian land like every un map says. They brought up that issue in 2000 for their interests not lebanon's.

I will repeat one last time in may 2000 israel left lebanon instead of the army going to the border and having a normal country you continued to be used as a tool of assad.

For what? for syrian land? For child killing prisoners. You only say prisoners but not child killers.

Israel has real issues to deal with the palestinians but it is a disgrace that after 2000 instead of taking control of your country you instead continued to let hezbollah operate.

Why aren't you asking in lebanon what in the world was hezbollah doing from may 2000-2006.

Israel had left they left. Instead of the army coming down you did nothing. Then you justify resistance that is really hostility in the form of being a tool of assad.

Look at all the hezbollah attacks from 2000-2006 and it wasn't resistance it was aggression.

Are people in lebanon blind to this. There is no silent majority in lebanon you are blind to radicals and foreign powers.

Assad doesn't care about lebanon but instead of demanding after israel left in 2000 to start anew and have a new situation at the border you did nothing. Then after 6 years of attacks from hezbollah you blame israel.

Why aren't you blaming hezbolla for the killing of hundreds of israelis after they left for assad and the mullahs in iran.

I am so sick of hearing about the two soldiers.

Starting in 2000 you kidnapped 3 soldiers killing them.

For 6 years you have taken pot shots at soldiers in israel or syrian land killing or wounding hundreds.

Cross border raids killing and wounding civilians in cold blood in their cars.

Suicide bombings in israel killing and wounding hundreds from hezbollah.

Rocket and mortar attacks killing and wounding civilians and soldiers.

Why aren't you blaming them.

It wasn't about two soldiers this was the last straw this was the fifth recent kidnap attempt. They killed 8 soldiers which you never mention firing anti tank rockets and land mines. They fired rockets at houses.

Instead of a victory party for resistance you should be screaming at them for starting a war and 6 years of attacks at your expense as tools of foreign powers.

Lebanese need to wake up.

This is 2000 all over again. Hezbollah today is saying they will continue to attack because of syrian land sheeba farms.

Where is the diologue to make sure in 2016 there isn't another tragedy at qana because hezbollah had hundreds of attacks in the years between now and then over sheeba farms.

Nasrallah today said radicalism is in this govt is out and the lebanese masses will bow down to syria and iran.

There is no silent majority in lebanon to stop hezbollah's madness.

P.S I wrote the previous entry as julia and forgot the password

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 4:49:00 PM, Blogger SC said...

A sea of pure Islamic evil.

I'm curious, how does it feel knowing you're alive simply because Israel chooses to allow you to live? One high-yield weapon could've killed everyone in that crowd.

btw- How's life in the future Israeli province of Lebanon?

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 5:24:00 PM, Blogger John Smith said...

sc,

Let's all behave like grownups shall we?

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 5:31:00 PM, Blogger AbdulKarim said...

This is out of control. What happened to the original topic. Maybe you should change the topic anyway. I'm dismayed how the original subject was hijacked by an israeli racist.

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 5:52:00 PM, Blogger Chas said...

Samantha, aka Julia,
Read my post above .. the military or physical realities simply do not matter .. you are dealing with mythologies.
Hizbollah's victory is a myth, just as Israel's invincibility was a myth .. but myths are more powerful in the human psyche than mere facts!
Israel's mis-judgement has created a legend .. and legends are notoriously hard to kill.

I'll give you an example from the history of my own country. The most significant event in the histroy of Ireland's struggle for independance was the "Easter Rising". For the rebels it was a complete military disaster. They were defeated on the ground and their leaders nearly all captured and executed. (sort of equivalent to targeted assasinations only with due process).
The thing is it really didn't matter.
Two years later Ireland (the south anyway) had its independance.
You need to understand the way history works. If you understood that you would realize that a targeted assasination of Nasrallah would be about the stupidest of many stupid things that Israel could do.

Peace, Chas

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:04:00 PM, Blogger Chas said...

Abdulkarim,
sorry, I take your point, and I did have a question on the original topic.
What would be the chances of seeing a similar sea of Cedar Flags in the near future?
Seems to me that there is a problem of leadership .. I do not believe there is one leader that all the Lebanon flag wavers could get behind .. thoughts?

Peace, Chas

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 6:58:00 PM, Blogger Maldoror said...

Chas,
No there isn't. And in a democratic country there shouldn't be a single leader. Lebanon is not a dictatorship.

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 7:37:00 PM, Blogger Chas said...

Mal,
yup, I agree, and that is as it should be, but still it makes it harder to get people out on the streets.
Peace, Chas

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 8:48:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

when I see this flood of pro-Israeli comments, I remember that Olmert announced putting Nasrallah underground is a victory. Where is Olmert now?
Now, I now the reason of this flood.
;)

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 9:03:00 PM, Blogger John Smith said...

No Hilal, the real reason for this flood of pro-Israeli comments is that the war is over so Olmert has more free time on his hands. At night his main hobby is to post comments on Lebanese blogs using several nicknames.

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 10:07:00 PM, Blogger Emil , Jerusalem said...

Hi everybody ,

The discussion went too far away from the original topic.

The meaning of the topic was that most of those who took part in the "victory parade" weren't Lebanese !

Also there was no war between Israel and Lebanon . There was a military conflict between Hizballa and Israel , which was mainly at Lebanese soil.

Lebanon lost anyway , but it wasn't a part of the conflict.

My statement is a simple one : the same forces who were opposed to the Cedar Revolution - the same forces celebrated the "victory".

I guess the fall of Homeinist Iran is close , so after it Syria will follow and Lebanese govt. will be able to deal with Hizballa. Patience for now.

Unfortunately the last conflict turned to be our failure , for which Olmert , Peretz and Halutz will have to resign soon. But from here there is no room to predict the "end of the Zionist entity". We only need to learn from mistakes.

About the present situation in Lebanon - OK , it is weak now , but the supreme Israeli interest is to help it become stronger and to stop acting as a playground for the world Jihad .

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 10:32:00 PM, Blogger jij said...

"Were there a majority of foreginers or Lebanese in the demonstration?"

"The meaning of the topic was that most of those who took part in the "victory parade" weren't Lebanese!"

La 7awla wa la kouwatta illa billah.

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:14:00 PM, Blogger Chas said...

jij,
all due respect - but how on earth could anyone answer that question?
surely a better discussion would be how can the moderate forces in Lebanon respond?
Peace, Chas

 
At Saturday, September 23, 2006 11:45:00 PM, Blogger samantha said...

To Chas, works for me then next time there won't be any whining about the israel's use of force since you are the winners.

On one hand hezbollah won but then they scream how the u.s delayed a ceasefire.

Do you see the contradiction.

Be careful about myths hezbollah will have no leg to stand on next time whining about a cease fire or whining about the use of force since according to them they are the winners.

 
At Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:11:00 AM, Blogger samantha said...

One thing no one has mentioned is that hezbollah, syria, and iran liked it when hezbollah operated more covertly.

No one in the international community paid much attention to them before this conflict.

The intelligence agencies in the U.S were focused on al queda, afganistan, iraq.

Lahoud himself says hezbollah operates best without a spotlight on it. Nasrallah warned unifil not to spy on them.

This conflict has had some negatives for hezbollah, syria and iran.

The U.S has pressured turkey to step up the checks of vehicles coming from iran through turkey to syria. This is the only land corridor for iran to syria to hezbollah. They have used this land route extensively.

Iran's only air route to syria is through turkey with the u.s being in iraq. The U.S has gotten turkey to stop a lot of iranian flights after they picked up satellite images of weapons going on flights. Several iranian flights have had to turn around on their way to syria because iran wouldn't land them in turkey because there were weapons on them.

Syria had a ship stopped last week in cyprus that came from north korea and was supposed to carry meteorological equipment but instead had defense equipment.

The u.s has now blacklisted iranian banks that sent their money to hezzbolah. They used to allow indirect third parties to send money to the u.s. This has now been cut off. The u.s has also gotten switzerland and japan on board to blacklist these banks.

The u.s has also gone after lebanese banks dealing with hezbollah.

Israel bombed hezbollah's banks during the war. Reports are they gave out initial sums of money and ran out and iran and to come in for more.

None of this would have happened without the war.

Every western intelligence agency went from paying no attention to the iran-syrian-hezzbolah link to having it on the radar. Israel found russian anti tank rockets from syria to hezbollah. Russia is looking into this. Russia is very pro arab but they don't like contracts being broken.

Israel found night vision equipment from uk in hezbollah's hands uk is investigating. Agenices now know that syria was directly supplying hezbollah with rockets with the ball bearings and bolts. They had syrian id's on them. Before intelligence agencies thought syria was just a conduit for iran.

The more attention these agencies have on hezbollah the worse it is for them. They have far more resources than israel does. During the conflict hezbollah alluded to having other weapons hinting at non convention weapons. They were talking about hitting petro chemical plants in haifa I would bet anything iran and syria supplied them with chemical weapons. If agencies can get proof of this syria and iran could get sanctions against them.

The u.s has stated that anymore weapons shipments from syria will be in direct violation of the resolution and they will push for arms sanctions against syria.

A lot has changed for the worse for hezbollah.

Nasrallah is very sensitive about unifil spying on them but his real worry should be the western intellgence agencies had not had their focus on hezbollah before while now they will have major resources for hezbollah, syria, and even more for iran.

This did not help iran in their sanctions the u.s has already gotten switzerland and japan to cut them off financially iran can thank hezbollah for that.

Sooner or later the iranian people will get fed up with billions going to hezbollah and hamas while their unemployment rate is 40 percent.

Best thing that can happen to iran is for crude oil to keep falling. That regime keeps saber rattling in part to drive up crude oil prices. They made an extra 37 billion last year from the saber rattling. Crude oil is collapsing without that iran economy will be hurting.

 
At Sunday, September 24, 2006 2:14:00 AM, Blogger Chas said...

Sam,
you have either completely misunderstood or just failed to read my posts. I do not accept the use of the word "victory" by either side.
Hizbollah's "victory" is a myth. But I cautioned you that myths are important and powerful. The reasons you give for dismissing Hizbollah's claims may or may not be valid. My arguement is that they are simply not relevant. I don't know how to make it more clear.
From the early stages of the war I called repeatedly fo a ceasefire precisely because I could see that the end result would be to make Hizbollah into heroes and strengthen rather than weaken them in addition to the obvious humanatarian reasons.
Israel's agression has made a complex and difficult political situation in Lebanon more complex and more difficult.
Peace, Chas

 
At Sunday, September 24, 2006 3:36:00 AM, Blogger Assaad said...

Jij : Are you sure that there were 200 lebanese ? It is too much especially in your "lebanese" definition.... 0 lebanese was present... Hope that you didn't count Nasrallah as a lebanese as well... All what he says go to Syria-Iran and not to Your "Lebanon"... So you must consider him as an iranian-Syrian agent !!!!!
Pitié....

 
At Sunday, September 24, 2006 3:58:00 AM, Blogger jij said...

I am so sorry I posted this on this forum... It was my fault I should have known better

 
At Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:13:00 AM, Blogger Assaad said...

Jij : My previous comment was just to make fun :).... I am sure that what you wrote was said by some people who don't like what happened... It doesn't mean they must be attacked or they are wrong.. Having different opinions is healthy but we don't use it in Lebanon in a good way ...

To be honest, the only thing i dreamed to is to be present yesterday to celebrate HA victory and see Sayyed Hasan for the first time in my life... I am unlucky in this... i live far (Paris) but i was praying that nothing happens to him... He is Simply Excellent...

To the Non lebanese who are commenting here : you saw more than 1,5 M lebanese celebrating HA, Sayyed Hasan and Lebanon victory... If this is not enough for you to understand that HA has the biggest support in Lebanon and that all your dreams to destroy it mean killing the base (all HA people), than Resistance is REALLY the only way to deal and to stop you...!

Eh walla eza kel wa7ad 3arabe zat satel may 3ala Israel, kenit nma7it :D

 
At Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:05:00 AM, Blogger apokraphyte said...

jij,

such posts are needed on this forum ... that badly-edited and ill-considered likud press briefings appear in response only confirm the necessity ...

 
At Sunday, September 24, 2006 6:47:00 AM, Blogger jamesryan said...

To Assaad

How is it resistance when you start the war. You started by killing 8 soldiers and kidnapping 2. You fired anti tank rockets killing soldiers that were reservists. One was a 24 year old reservist who had just came back from south america. He was a quiet individual. He was my friend. He was on his last day of service and rockets were fired and hit homes and he went out on patrol and was killed in cold blood by anti tank rockets.

You commit murder and call it resistance. Israel had left all of lebanon. The un drew the border and israel left.

According to you freeing kuntar who bashed a 3 year old's head in is resistance.

Nasrallah who wants all jews to move to israel to kill them.

I have had enough. There is only so much bs that someone can take.

Hezbollah killed another one of my friends in a 2002 suicide bombing. The bomb had nails in it. He was the only child to his parents.

Hezbolallah killed someone else I knew in a 2002 cross border raid where they shot up civilian cars in cold killing 6.

Resistance is a lie it was an extremist group's aggression on the part of syria.

I guess you like hariri being killed, anti syrian journalists being killed and anti syrian politicians being killed. Is that resistance too?

 
At Sunday, September 24, 2006 6:40:00 PM, Blogger Rabie_Halad said...

jamesryan
You commit a genocide and call it self-defense. In more than one occasion. Why are you looking for pity in your little statement, Hezbollah condemns suicide attacks if they wanted to suicide attack, they wouldve suicide attacked all your tanks, all your soldiers, and would be running into Israel during the war and suicide bombing specific targets.

2nd of all
in march 2002 they walked in to Shlomi--Metzuba going after IDF officer Lt. German Rojkov and they killed him, and yeah 6 other civilians got killed, shootings no suicide bombs but isn't it okay according to you? Would it be okay to try to go after the IDF and bomb all of israel instead and kill a 1000 of your people? i mean 7th October 2000 3 IDF Soldiers were kidnapped...why didnt you attack then? Hezballah were much weaker than and they still managed to remove you from our south.
There has only been 2/3 situations other than the war where civilians were damaged.
Hezballah was created because of Israel in 1982 to RESIST THEM, and its still the same war....you can't just think about those 2 suffering caged prisoned, by hezballah, soldiers. because that's not the reason this war started...Israel is a terrorist state.
and all your words you Juila make me say Long live the Lebanese Resistance.

 
At Sunday, September 24, 2006 8:37:00 PM, Blogger Charles Malik said...

Jij,

You've probably already addressed this, but the comments sickened me, so I didn't get your answer.

Was the title of your post meant to be ironic?
There is some dissonance between the title and the content.

Are you separating "the heroic resistance of the Lebanese people" from Hezbollah's armed muqawama?

Great pictures, though.

 
At Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:04:00 PM, Blogger jij said...

yes, malik, yes, meant to be ironic...

 
At Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:19:00 PM, Blogger Andrey said...

rabie_halad you are a mirror reflection of julia.
(When you support HA try not to mention march 2002)

 
At Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:30:00 PM, Blogger Fearless said...

Nasrallah is spitting in the face of a democratically elected Lebanese government:
The Lebanese Interior Ministry, which normally issues permits for such mass gatherings, has not even been approached or asked for permission. Security for this rally will be handled by Hizbullah, the militia that many still insist is not a state within a state.

Meanwhile, acting Interior Minister Ahmad Fatfat told The Daily Star on Wednesday that the organizers of Friday's rally had not "asked for permission or for a license from the Interior Ministry to hold such a rally." Rally organizers are required to ask for permission to do so from the Interior Ministry and submit information on the nature of the gathering, who will be attending and the location for the demonstration and routes to be used. Once a license is given, the Interior Ministry puts in place security measures to prevent any clashes that may arise between attendants or rabble rousers. Fatfat said the ministry "will not seek a confrontation [on the lack of such a license] ... but there are procedures that the organizers must follow."

Hizbullah’s “media officer”, Hajj Rahal, told the Daily Star that his party coordinated with the Defense Ministry on “security and traffic flow.” Yes, the defense ministry is now coordinating traffic flow with a militia.

Fatfat, you will recall from a previous post, had acknowledged that his ministry has been unable to exercise control over the various security agencies in the country, which are infiltrated by Hizbullah, Amal and Syrian intelligence. This has caused some concern with UNIFIL, which complained that the people handling security in the country have not changed since the Syrian era, and that much vital information such as names of people entering and leaving Lebanon by land, air and sea are still sent to Hizbullah, Amal and naturally, Syrian intelligence.

Fatfat tried this week to address the UNIFIL concerns and, no, not by removing some people from power, but through creating a mechanism by which all agencies attached to his ministry can exchange and share information. The minister issued resolution 2403 creating a committee to work on establishing an electronic database accessible by the various departments and agencies, including General Security (which controls the nation’s ports of entry and keeps records of visitors and hotel residents), and the directorate of personal status, department of motor vehicles, and the directorate of Palestinian refugees affairs.

These agencies, all theoretically falling under the authority of the interior ministry, together control sensitive information about Lebanese citizens and the activities at the border, the ports and the airports. During the Syrian era, the General Security directorate was the most powerful of them all, controlled by Jamil Al-Sayyed, now in jail suspected of playing a role in the Hariri assassination.

Naturally, no real investigation into any security incident in the country can take place without some information sharing between those agencies, something that is not taking place, due mostly to reluctance on part of the those agencies to release and share information with internal security and the ministry, now controlled by March 14. The Interior Ministry’s new intelligence branch, whose head was nearly assassinated recently, was in part an attempt to create a security body loyal to the minister. But the ministry is still in need of full access to vital information, or at least it needs to make sure that some of this information is secured. You may remember how Brammertz in his last report filled a couple of pages describing the inefficiency of Lebanon’s security agencies and their inability to solve crimes—every single investigation into the assassinations that took place since Marwan Hamadeh had come to halt. Evidence is tampered with, information is hidden and nobody seems to know who is in control.

Fatfat’s automation project was quickly labeled as a coup by the pro-Syrian media, and Nabih Berri has vetoed it, saying that “these matters don’t work with us and we will not agree.” Fatfat, who over the past two days, has been defending his decision to automate information sharing (by doing this, he forces it to happen), accused “some” of trying to “assassinate him politically” and vowed to go ahead with it and shut down the “security shops” in his ministry. He went as far as accusing some of the security officials in those agencies of “leaking information” in exchange for money or for political reasons.

Berri is worried that the Interior Ministry’s intelligence branch (literally translated as information branch) would gain more power, and wants it to answer to General Security, headed by Wafiq Jizzini. According to al-Mustaqbal, Jizzini has recently refused to attend a meeting at the Interior Ministry to regulate and automate the entry process of Syrian nationals into the country. He also reportedly declined to meet with Prime Minister Siniora and ignored a written request by Fatfat to show up at the ministry within 30 minutes.

Friday’s show will be a reminder that this government is not in control. The people who will accuse the government of treason continue snubbing the state’s institutions, taking unilateral decisions on behalf of the entire population, and sharing sensitive security information with their foreign allies. I would like to believe that Siniora and Fatfat will fight this one out to the end. There are signs that they are. UNIFIL is one way they are doing it, and there are indications that Siniora will be counting on them where the country’s own security services will fail (perhaps intentionally). Hizbullah’s officials are unhappy with the mandate given to the German naval force that will monitor Lebanese waters. And the heavy French weapons are also a sign that this government is serious about disengaging the south from Hizbullah’s conflicts. But UNIFIL can only do so much. The real fight is internal, and tough decisions have to be made. Maybe 2403 is the magic number. My guess is that it isn’t, and one of the reasons is a March 14 fallacy called Nabih Berri.

 
At Monday, September 25, 2006 12:29:00 PM, Blogger Assaad said...

To James :
This is a repeat post… We always hear the same arguments coming from israelis. You never say the israeli army bombed a village, killed some civilians, are stealing lebanese water (will destroy your construction near alwazany again)… You never condamn the acts of your terrorist government. For you, Hezbollah and the resistance are the reason but not Israel, Right ?
Can i ask you a question ? What do you want ? with all the hatred you have toward arabs and muslims, what are you looking for ?
When your army invades, kills, sends secret services to commit assassinations etc… what can you expect from HA and all the lebanese people ? Peace ? Do you really want peace with Lebanon or you wanna destroy all those who face YOU ?

Just think ten times before you repeat us the same song. Your terrorist spirit is the reason of all what’s happening. Did you hink about all the innocents killed by your Heroes ? You’ll loose more friends and more reservists if you continue acting the same way…. As for us, our choice is to resist, to fight your heroes and to send them back home (dead or alive) but don’t even dream to have peace treaty with Lebanon before you stop your crimes and you ask to be forgived from all the genocides you committed and you commit even today with palestinians…

 
At Monday, September 25, 2006 12:55:00 PM, Blogger omar said...

assaad I am going to say this for the last time it isn't called resistance when you start the war.

The first day july 12 hezbollah started by firing rockets at homes, anti tank rockets, landmines.

For what? For a child killing prisoner?

Israel will think ten times are you kidding me.

Israel this weekend had 100,000 vacationers in the north. You would have never known there was a war.

Lebanon on the other hand has dirty beaches, cancerous dust on the ground and will be in your water from the fuel burning cancerous toxins from that plant.

Southern lebanon is littered with cluster bombs. You are the ones paying the price for hezbollah not israelis. The farmers that helped hezbollah can't even harvest. Kids are getting their heads blown up picking fruits from trees.

Hezbollah using those fields is hurting you not israel.

Hezbollah is an abusive group training kids as suicide bombers.

Hezbollah took over sunni villages way before the war and imposed themselves on them and their weapons there.

Hezbollah blocked civilians leaving during the war.

They used un as cover to fire rockets.

They went into christian villages and fired rockets between houses.

They support countries like syria that couldn't give a damn about lebanon and are looking to take out the moderate elements in lebanon through asassination.

Hezbollah brought disaster to lebanon you better think 10 times before another war.

It isn't israel that is suffering it is lebanon.

Also if hezbollah ever kills one more israeli they will be obliterated and israel has the weapons to do that.

Aasaad in the uk when there was a lebanon fund raiser they couldn't raise anymoney. They raised thousand more times for the russian schoool victims and hundreds of thousand more times for the tsunami.

No one wants to be associated with someone like nasrallah.

Hezbollah and lebanon are a broken society.

All you have to do is look at the training of kids for martyrs. They are abusive.

By the way israel was attacked countless times before they went to lebanon including your hero kuntar for smashing a girl's face in.

The west looks at lebanon as a lacky for the iranian mullahs.

You have no idea what a joke lebanon is in the west.

You have a militia determining foreign policy.

They lost the election and then still think they have the right to make foreign policy.

They also think they have the right to have one foot in politics and one foot in war. They also think it is right to be associated with syria who is out to kill all moderate elements in lebanon.

Lebanon is seen as a country run by thugs and a broken society that teaches kids to be martyrs.

 
At Monday, September 25, 2006 1:03:00 PM, Blogger omar said...

assaad hezbollah tried 8 suicide bombings in israel during the war.

They have operatives in the west bank they failed miserably.

Research the news reports.

Israel has much better internal security than lebanon.

Hezbollah's 4 explosive drones were shot down over israel.

Hezbollah tried a truck bomb across the border and was stopped.

Hezbollah tried dozens of infiltrations across the border and were stopped cold.

Last year they tried to cross into sheeba farms but were killed because they can't fight out in the open.

During the war they tried to cross into sheeba farms and were stopped.

Why do you think israel is still holding sheeba farms.

Hezbollah like all arabs can't fight out in the open. They aren't men they have to hide in bunkers and hide in civilian areas. They can't advance they were exposed in the war. They can't get back sheeba farms because they can't advance. Arabs can't fight and advance they hide in bunkers like kids.

They are weak and built weak. They are heretics. They are dwarfs. Even the sunnis in iraq know that shittes are heretics and what losers the iranian dwarfs are.

 
At Monday, September 25, 2006 1:27:00 PM, Blogger Assaad said...

Omar : bla bla bla Khezbollah fired, bla bla bla khezbollah killed, bla bla bla khezbollah destroyed...... this is the everyday song you have to repeat after your PM and your war minister.... We want to get Kuntar back home otherwise you'll have to forget the two soldiers HA has now just as you forgot Ron Arad...

Days are coming and you'll see what will happen to your terrorist state...!

 
At Monday, September 25, 2006 3:42:00 PM, Blogger omar said...

assaad just remember who has the nukes. Israel has over a thousand nukes. There are nuclear submarines sitting right off of lebanon's coast.

If non nuclear powers iran, syria and lebanon won't respect israel's deterrence it should be enforced.

Japan a non nuclear power messed with the u.s and found out that was a mistake.

Israel has an arsenal that could bring assad, meshaal, nasrallah, aminajed to obliteration.

We welcome an all out war so we can finally put you out of your misery.

 
At Monday, September 25, 2006 4:23:00 PM, Blogger Assaad said...

Omar : This is the only language you use : War and nuclear arsenal... Ok go to it, us it... believe we are not afraid from you...
The discussion with prooves 1000000 times that you don't deserve peace!

 
At Monday, September 25, 2006 6:14:00 PM, Blogger Rabie_Halad said...

Your crazy-ass intelligence doesnt know the difference between hamas,hezballah, and even al-qaeeda..if al-qaeeda suicide bombs you immediately suspect Hezballah linked...it's like its automated on their computers...remember Hassan Nasrallah was the one that insulted the Al-qaeeda for 9/11..."what do a 1000 innocent people in the towers have to do with our war on Israel." those words sum up hassan nasrallah for you he knows what hes doing...whereas your little Amateur army man Ehud Olmert comes out and say "If we have to kill 1000 people to try and turn off the Al manar tv station we will because it has to be done." for the facts Al-manar was on from day one of the war till day 34

 
At Tuesday, September 26, 2006 1:27:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Rabie-Halad

"Hezbollah condemns suicide attacks" This staement from one of your posts is simply not true. I can give you several examples such as the attack against US marines in Beirut (april 18th 1983). You may agree with hizbollah's views but please stick to the facts.

 
At Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:28:00 AM, Blogger Rabie_Halad said...

Shmulik, Give me more recent examples than 1983 please, remember that in 1983 Hezballah was so small and much weaker, as the palestinians are now...they had no choice but to use suicide attacks, in situations...btw does any one know around how many people were at the pro-hezballah protest? and also the anti-hezballah? because al-manar said just over 2 million but that can't be true, if it were then Hezballah could overtake the government which no lebanese wants.

 
At Wednesday, September 27, 2006 8:33:00 AM, Blogger Rhiannon said...

So shmulik, you dare to bring up 1983, Lebanon. Didn't you know? Israeli intelligence already knew about attempts to bomb the USA Marines. The Israeli government, in its usual manner, didn't bother to warn the Marines their lives were in serious jeapardy. For all we know the Israelis may have planned that attack against the USA Marines - they've done stuff like this before - (does USS Liberty ring a bell?).

Why? Because the Marines were in their way. Just like Hezbollah is in their way. Israel had already bombed and massacred tens of thousands of civilians starting June 82 and polished off their murdering with the well-planned massacres of Shatila and Sabra in September 1982, killing over 3,000 women, children, and elderly.

Hezbollah is a thorn in Israel's side because Israel wants to occupy more precious land of Lebanon.

Israel is kind of like a leech. It needs to suck somebody's blood because it has no blood of its own.

Omar, you are a hateful little bugger, and you do your government proud. I'm sure they have a nice plush seat for you at the Knesset just waiting.

Israel would be damn stupid to use Nukes considering it would obliterate itself as well. Oh, gee, and there would go your little seat at the Knesset. You poor little thing, you.

 
At Wednesday, September 27, 2006 8:57:00 AM, Blogger Rhiannon said...

Arabs can't fight in the open? And the IDF does? Oh yeah, sure. There's the IDF dropping hundreds of bombs daily from their WAR PLANES. Oh look, there's the IDF shelling round after round into homes, cars, businesses, streets, etc...from their TANKS. Oh, look, there's the IDF walking beside their tanks and armour trucks laughing, chomping on gum - knowing they're going to kill women and children - my its a holiday.

It was all on CNN. I didn't see the Israelis do anything heroic or courageous. Their weaponry and advance laser gadetry sings to the tune of billions of dollars from North America - on a yearly basis.

===============

"assaad just remember who has the nukes. Israel has over a thousand nukes."

This isn't a shock. WE KNOW AND WE ALWAYS HAVE. A bit stupid to be bragging about something like that, don't you think?

"There are nuclear submarines sitting right off of lebanon's coast."

Yeah, we know. Every now and then you guys like to machine gun the cars driving on the coast of Lebanon. Lot of Lebanese have been killed driving on the coast thanks to your war ships.


"We welcome an all out war so we can finally put you out of your misery."

Oh absoluLUTELY. You got that right! There's just one problem:

After you kill all of the Lebanese people and build your military posts and more "jewish" settlements on what was once Lebanon, your murdering and massacring won't stop,... will it.

 
At Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:01:00 AM, Blogger Rhiannon said...

Here's a gem of information you can take with you to sleep at night:

Hezbollah didn't start the war - Israel did.

 
At Wednesday, September 27, 2006 1:28:00 PM, Blogger AJ said...

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At Wednesday, September 27, 2006 11:22:00 PM, Blogger John Smith said...

Rhiannon,

“does USS Liberty ring a bell?”

I don’t know if 14 investigation committees can change your mind, but here goes…
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/liberty2.html
I think conspiracy theories web sites are not a good source of information.
Oh, and Elvis is dead.

“I didn't see the Israelis do anything heroic or courageous”

Once upon a time on a lazy Friday evening, a 32 years old man was sitting in his living room, watching television with his wife and playing with his kids. Suddenly the phone rang.
A recorded message was talking.
It was calling him to war.
He packed up a small bag, kissed his wife and two kids not knowing if he’ll ever see them again and left his home.
A few hours later, A few hundred kilometres to the north, he was marching to the battle field where rockets landed and exploded 100 meters from him.
He fought for about two weeks, that’s about 1,200,000 seconds he could have been killed.
Pretty courageous for a 32 years old atheist family guy, don’t you think???
That was ME during the war.
And YOU?
Posting comments on Lebanese blogs under anonymous identity...?
Please don’t lecture us about courage.

 
At Thursday, September 28, 2006 12:18:00 AM, Blogger Rhiannon said...

You keep answering with pat, cute little answers like "Elvis is dead" like so many other Zionists have stated on these blogs since July.

Do not tell me your story and cry me a river of your "so-called courage".

From where I sit, my mouse and keyboard have by far more dignity than your pathetic helmut and gun.

Palestinian Children throwing rocks at your tanks are by far more COURAGEOUS than you and your IDF "soldiers" could ever hope to be.

The anger of the Lebanese and Palestinian people and the reasons they fight Israel seem to always escape the soul-less mind of the Zionist/Israeli.

(There! Happy? I compromised).

Palestinians and Lebanese are fighting for their values, land, their way of life. Israel just wants more land that doesn't belong to IT.

I don't need to go into your propaganda files so that you can "educate" me to your way of thinking. I already know the way you "think".

Again, do not whine and moan to me about your ridiculous sob stories as the one above. You get no sympathy from me.

Instead, why don't you go and be courageous for a change. Go to South Lebanon and tell the people who lost homes, children, and businesses about your silly
war stories while you help them pick up all the Cluster bombs that your "brave" and "courageous" IDF pals left all over the South of Lebanon.

Go to the South of Lebanon and help rebuild the churches that the IDF looted, pissed and crapped in. They destroyed pictures of and broke statues Jesus Christ. They used some of these Churches for military bases.


Do that, and then maybe you can call yourself courageous.

Otherwise, in your own cute words:

"No soup for you."

 
At Thursday, September 28, 2006 1:57:00 AM, Blogger John Smith said...

“You keep answering with pat, cute little answers like "Elvis is dead" like so many other Zionists have stated on these blogs since July.”

Yes, we are funny people, aren’t we? All I meant was that conspiracy theories web sites are not a good source of information, that’s all. Sorry, all you Elvis fans out there...



Regarding the courage issue… Are you ready to get up from your keyboard right now and head out for the battle fields leaving your family and friends behind for an undetermined time with the possibility of never returning? You have seen war only with a bucket of popcorn in your lap. Believe me it takes a lot of courage (especially for an atheist like most of us Israelis).



”Palestinian Children throwing rocks at your tanks are by far more COURAGEOUS than you and your IDF "soldiers" could ever hope to be.”

You haven’t been there!
I served in the west bank and the Gaza strip for 2 years!
Most of the time it’s 18 years old Palestinians throwing big (VERY big) rocks on the heads of 18 years old soldiers with orders not to respond… It’s like you throwing stones on a lion behind bars in a zoo and claiming you are brave…



”Palestinians and Lebanese are fighting for their values, land, their way of life. Israel just wants more land that doesn't belong to IT.”

Israel doesn’t want Lebanese soil. This war was mainly about our right to live in north Israel without HA attacks every once in a few days for the last 6 years.
The Palestinian lands are disputed. We think it’s ours. They think it’s theirs.



”I already know the way you "think".

Good, you saved me a lot of typing ;-)



”Instead, why don't you go and be courageous for a change. Go to South Lebanon and tell the people who lost homes, children, and businesses…”

Many people and businesses In Israel have also been hurt by this war.
What can I say?
War sucks.
Don’t start one.



"No soup for you."
I like Jerry Seinfield too :-)






Peace

 
At Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:34:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Rhiannon

Can you please explain how do you know about Israel not warning the US about the attack on the marines? This is a serious accusation, Do you have any proof? What strikes me as odd is the fact that even if you are correct (which you are not)you have so much fire & brimstone reserved for Israel on the account of not warning you while not uttering a word against the organization that actually carried out the attack. I guess it's kind of like the Sabra & shatila incident. The only war-crime in history where no body (including the victims) seems to be interested in the criminal but only of his alleged ally. Can you think of any reason why? What did Israel gain from Sabra & Shatila considering the fact that public outrage in Israel (the 400,000 demonstration) was a key reason for ending the war? Do you know of any other nation that tries (not exactly, the Kahan investigaton wasn't a normal criminal procedure) it's own people for crimes commited by it's allies? In other "news" the US itself (several times) has declared the attack on the Liberty to be an accident (In 1967 Israel was not a major ally of the US so there was no great reason for a cover-up) but off course YOU know better. It's very easy to throw accusations in the air but you don't have a shred of proof do you? I am sure you believe the mossad was responsible for 9/11 don't you?
"Israel is kind of like a leech. It needs to suck somebody's blood because it has no blood of its own" I guess Gobels would be proud of you. Maybe Ahmednijad needs a new speech writer?

 
At Thursday, September 28, 2006 4:54:00 PM, Blogger Fearless said...

Syrian officers under the guise of" workers" enter Lebanon with doubtful purposes. The Government does nothing- of course.


Des officiers syriens sous couvert "des ouvriers" entrent au Liban avec des buts douteux. Le Gouvernement ne fait rien - évidemment.

 
At Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:26:00 PM, Blogger Rhiannon said...

"Yes, we are funny people, aren’t we?"

No, not really.

Yeah, you guys are definitely Atheists. Unfortunately not the warm-hearted kind, because I know that Atheists can be decent people. You're just not one of them.

Your condescending analogies (the popcorn bit and the fact that I must leave my keyboard and mouse to go to war) are useless and quite lonely. They are not in company with perception and reason.

I do not have to get up and go anywhere to prove any points or speak the truth. So how very sorry of a "human" you must be that you did your "duty" as an IDF soldier and you didn't LEARN anything from the experience.

"Most of the time it’s 18 years old Palestinians throwing big (VERY big) rocks on the heads of 18 years old soldiers with orders not to respond… It’s like you throwing stones on a lion behind bars in a zoo and claiming you are brave…"

Now that is just lame. I don't believe you for one second.

http://www.halturnershow.com/LegacyOfArielSharon.html

Yeah, those IDF/IOF “soldiers” look mighty “heroic” and so “courageous”. I can see how they are suffering from the “wounds” of those BIG ROCKS. THOSE VERY BIG ROCKS.

"Israel doesn’t want Lebanese soil."

Yes, it does. It wants the water and more soil. Israel is suffering because it doesn't have enough water. This isn't news. Can you explain to me why IDF soldiers were seen hauling rich Lebanese soil in bags into trucks, before they left Lebanon? Lebanese soldiers, civilians and UN workers were witness to this.

The Palestinian lands are disputed. We think it’s ours. They think it’s theirs.

You see, that's your whole problem: You may "think" it's yours, but the Palestinians KNOW it is theirs. There is no room for implying doubt.

What about the Land mines planted all over the Southern border of Lebanon. Scores of children, farmers, and others are killed every year because of Israel's cowardly tactics. Israel may get sore about "6 years", but Lebanon and Palestine have decades of unrest and trauma caused by Israel. What about missing children and people that are taken away by IDF soldiers ILLEGALLY in those "6 years" and all of the years before those "6 years"?

"Many people and businesses In Israel have also been hurt by this war.
What can I say?
War sucks.
Don’t start one."

Such dripping/drenching passive-aggressive remarks. Honestly, I think you should try out for the Zionist cheerleading squad and leave behind the nerdy Atheists. Doug Feith and Paul Wolfowitz wouldn't mind chipping in a few USA treasury bills for a cute little sweater for you.

 
At Saturday, September 30, 2006 12:40:00 PM, Blogger Rhiannon said...

"In other "news" the US itself (several times) has declared the attack on the Liberty to be an accident (In 1967 Israel was not a major ally of the US so there was no great reason for a cover-up) but off course YOU know better. It's very easy to throw accusations in the air but you don't have a shred of proof do you? I am sure you believe the mossad was responsible for 9/11 don't you?"

Yeah, I do. I think they were a part of it.

As for the USS Liberty:

A CALL FOR JUSTICE

http://www.ussliberty.org/findleybook.htm


Despite the awesome power of Israel's U.S. lobby, Liberty survivors have a voice in the House of Representatives, thanks to Democrat Cynthia McKinney, Georgia's first African American congresswoman. Long a supporter of civil and human rights, she was the only member of Congress to attend a massive rally held April 20, 2002, on Washington’s National Mall to express solidarity with the Palestinian people. Two months later, she introduced the following speech into the Congressional Record, a fitting testimonial to the determination of the Liberty crew:

"Mr. Speaker, I speak to commemorate and recognize the
tragic attack that took place against the USS Liberty
on June 8, 1967. Although thirty-five years have come
and gone since this historic event, the survivors of
the USS Liberty are still struggling with the fact that
their story has never been heard. While there has never
been an official investigation into this event, we have
learned from survivor accounts that for over seventy-
five minutes the Israeli defense forces attacked the
USS Liberty, killing 34 American soldiers and wounding
an additional 171. With over 85 percent of the crew
either dead or wounded, they somehow managed to keep
the ship afloat after being hit by over a thousand
rounds of rocket, cannon, machine gun, napalm hits,
and even a direct hit from a torpedo. This unprovoked
attack took place in international waters, and by a
trusted ally. The only explanation given to the survivors
and their families as to why this attack took place was
that it was an accident and that their ship was not
identified as being American, regardless of the fact
that our flag was proudly flown throughout the attack.
Unfortunately, that explanation is not good enough for
those whose lives have been impacted by this attack,
and it should not be good enough for the American people.
Let's not wait another thirty-five years before we
provide the survivors an official investigation into why
this attack took place and allow them to tell their story.
We owe them more than a debt of gratitude for their
sacrifice; we owe them the truth."


The navy's official Court of Inquiry was a sham. Both the admiral who headed the inquiry and his legal counsel knew it was phony. In retirement, U.S. Navy Captain Ward Boston, who served as court counsel, admitted that they privately disputed the court's official conclusion that the assault was a case of mistaken identity. Boston told a reporter for the NAVY TIMES that both he and Rear Admiral Isaac Kidd, who served as president of the court, privately agreed that the Israeli forces knew they were attacking a U.S. Navy ship. In explaining why he participated in the sham, Boston said, "In military life, you accept the fact that if you're told to shut up, you shut up. We did what we were told." Former CIA director Richard Helms said, "It was no accident."(55)

Photographic deceptions.

http://www.ussliberty.org/photofraud.htm



From one who was there.

http://www.ussliberty.org/moorer3.htm



Israel’s explanation that every vicious attack they commit on human life is always an accident and that they are sorry (shades of Qana). These pathetic apologies are wearing thin, to say the least, especially when all their massacres are pre-planned.

The Israelis claimed that the torpedo boats, after first sighting the ship, had called in the aircraft to attack after the ship refused to identify itself. This is an obvious lie, because the attack was clearly a pre-planned and well coordinated one-two punch employing different branches of the Israeli Defense Forces. The jets were already intent on attacking the ship before the Liberty came into the torpedo boats' radar range. Directly contradicting themselves, the Israelis later claimed that their aircraft had called in the torpedo boats.

http://www.ussliberty.org/ijic.htm


Did our government put Israel's interests ahead of our own? If so, why? Does our government continue to subordinate American interests to Israeli interests? These are important questions that should be investigated by an independent, fully empowered commission of the American government.
The American people deserve to know the truth about this attack. We must finally shed some light on one of the blackest pages in American naval history. It is a duty we owe not only to the brave men of the USS Liberty, but to every man and woman who is asked to wear the uniform of the United States.

http://www.ussliberty.org/moorer4.htm

Now why on Earth would you ever say that Israel was NOT an ally of the USA at that time??

Israel ALWAYS HAS BEEN. Of course a deadly one at that.

 

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