15.9.06

Are we still fighting?



"WEST BANK - Six months of a crippling international embargo on the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt) has brought its economy to a virtual standstill.

As a result, children are being driven increasingly to find work to help support their families. According to the Palestine Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS), 40,000 children under 18 work in oPt - 73 percent of whom were forced to work due to severe financial conditions.

Subhi goes to al-Hawawer checkpoint every morning, dragging his steel handcart behind him. He competes with other boys to get two or three shekels (45 to 70 US cents) a time for carrying the luggage of travelers".

Read the rest here.

I stopped at the word travelers. I wonder who these travelers are and I wondered why they leave. Then I realized that these travelers don’t have to be leaving, they might be tourists coming to visit Israel in the summer. They could be like the many that are moving back to Israel “the promised land” as part of a new born Zionist plan. They come back to make it even tighter for the Palestinians to live. It could be citizens coming home after a long vacation somewhere in south Europe or South America or maybe doing business in the US. Let’s face it coming or leaving, you have to come across some of these sites of misery and you have to wonder while you see these little faces racing and begging for money. You have to know. Then I remembered this poster I saw in the elevator the other day. It was a promotional free trip to Israel for the students at Einstein. It was intended for medical students who are Jewish (of course) and followed a very well planned trip that covered all the main ‘attractions’ and the best the ‘Jewish’ land can offer. How nauseating to see those pictures of people rafting and swimming after I see heart wrenching pictures of starving kids, in that same country, but just so happen to live on the other side of justice. Kids whose misery and pain invisible to most.

What has been very surprising to me is that, aside from the Lebanon/Israel war, all the raids and siege and turmoil that the Israeli government had bestowed on the Palestinians in Gaza after the Hamas election went completely unnoticed even by Israelis. How could there be a country where part of the population is living a complete and utter injustice and inhumanity and suffering under the most brutal illegal occupation and the other part of the population lives and thrives and surfs and apply to scientific conferences and go on summer vacations?

Then I remembered Lebanon! Pictures of parties in Brummana, tea in Marjiyoun...

Throughout the war, I kept quiet. I wrote about things that bring us together. We had to keep a united front. We had to stay strong and then everything follows. The war is now over and I see a lot of people taking the first chance (many did not even wait for the war to end) to attack the other party accusing them of taking a unilateral decision (so ironic) of war and peace, etc.. Away from politics, I would like to register my first resentment against a part of the Lebanese people who appeared to be, if not indifferent in the most part, even apologetic to the enemy and downright encouraging to the killing of the people in the South. Very daring to say that but we all have heard it one way or another. I have personally heard it from our coordinators. I have heard it from personnel at the embassies having tried to get heads of congregations to encourage people to protest to the killing of civilians. We have all seen it on CNN. I will come out and say this. I do not come from any denomination. Growing up, I remember Christmas at Albert Mansour as I remember Ramadan with the Mufti. I am, however, against people who stand solely opposed to their fellow human beings based on their religion or their political status. I cannot still believe in a leader that looked the other way as massacres took place or believe in one that promoted massacres. Based on that, I am against all the criminals in power. The suits and the moustaches, the autocrats and the theocrats, the communists, the Arab nationalists, the fascists, the leaders of the mountains, the criminals of Damour and Karantina and Sabra and Shatila, the little heroes who reminisce of the black times while chuckling here and there. With each chuckle I see a dying woman. With each notion of victory a dying child and a dying nation and our dead dreams.

I have heard the silliest attacks on one religion against another. Calling mohammad a criminal and Islam a religion of wars. As if your bible is not, like mine, a saga of wars and battles. As if the crusaders invaded with knowledge or understanding. I have heard accusations They call their tactics shock and awe. My dear dear fellow Lebanese of all faiths, denominations, loyalties and schools of thoughts, we brag about being immune to shock and immune to awe. It is true. I was devastated during this war but I was not shocked. What shocks me is our history. What awes me is our politics.
For how many black days and black decades are we willing to withstand before we become a people.

Wars will remain wars. The land of turmoil still boils. Moses’ hands are not clean of military maneuvering, trickery and looting. The heroes of invasions and conquers and battles in the name of religion and profit and expansion and roots and belonging and prevailing are nothing but war criminals. The Israelites and the philistines fought till death over land. We still are perpetuating this same legacy today. Aside from fighting over seats and over our historical divisions and conflicts, let’s fight for some children who are fighting to survive. While we're at it, let's fight for our dignity.

23 Comments:

At Friday, September 15, 2006 10:53:00 AM, Blogger John Smith said...

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At Friday, September 15, 2006 3:38:00 PM, Blogger Maya@NYC said...

Mirvat...
I started reading your blog on the first day of the war, and your words, energy, and your feelings stirred so much in me. I just take this to tell you you did a wonderful job in spreading the word and keeping us afloat in a time of despair.
But then, although you didn't notice it, there was a gradual change of course. You did not remain as "unifying" as you thought. And it is very difficult to remain impartial and read both sides of the war.
i agree with you: some of the christians i know were scared of the war. of the outcome of the war.but none of them rejoiced to the deaths (useless painful deaths) of any lebanese. of any human being. but they heard Nasrallah and his deputees saying they eventually want an "oumma islamya shi3ya". they read articles about the hezb allegiance to wilayat el fakih. They heard him promise to rebuild with iranian money. and they remembered the days not so long gone of civil war. and they got scared. whether justified or not, we can not rule the thoughts of the masses. especially when these fears were alimented by the same people who used to be pro-resistance, pro-arabism like Joumblatt and Hariri. yes the friend whose father was shot in the late 70's because his name was tony, was not going to feel secure in an oumma islamya, or even the thought of it.
but not all apples are rotten (many christians helped as much as they could). and not all rotten apples are in the same box (many sunnite and druze were also afraid of the outcome of the war).
we stand as divided as ever. ironically, we are divided because of that same thing that should unite us. we still don't have a real definition of the lebanese identity.
when some of us not so long ago burned the lebanese flag, when some believe in a bigger wider border nation, when some believe in allegiance to another country before their own, when some of us refuse to be called arabs, when most of us still believe in men instead of ideas, we will stay at war with ourselves.
a people who haven't agreed on their history can not agree on their future.
Stay strong...and hopeful.

 
At Friday, September 15, 2006 5:22:00 PM, Blogger Mirvat said...

Maya I appreciate the way you perceive what I criticize. Maybe you’re right. I have become more critical as things appeased of one side more than another. On a political level I criticize March 14 out of a genuine disgust of an affinity to the West and to the American/Israeli colonial vision of the region and a disgust of the indifference towards what takes place in neighboring Arabic countries and that comes from my conviction that Lebanon is, first, an Arabic country. I don’t have the same strong feeling against the Shia’s leadership loyalty to Iran because I simply don’t believe this reflects any political aspirations for the Shia leadership in Lebanon. Hassan Nasrallah is the " Al wakil el shar3i lil sayed Khamin2i fi loubnan" a wakil is someone that take the decision in a place where the other one cannot. The relationship between HA and Iran is strongly ideological. Being under opression for hundred of years, shia everywhere look to iran after the khomeini era as the protector, the shield of all shia in the world, and many of them adopted the theory of wali el fakih. I don’t like it more than you do that a party in Lebanon seeks support from a neighboring country for political empowering but that’s how Lebanon works. I find it easier not to oppose HA because as an internal militia it doesn’t have as much blood on its hands and historically did not show the political ambitions that other parties did. In this particular war, HA’s posture was strictly against our invader and aggressor and while a lot of Lebanese secretly and vocally hoped for their defeat fearing an Islamic domination in case they won (I’m laughing as I write this sentence) we saw that they’re not waiting to cash in on their victory at the expense of the Lebanese fragile makeover. Yes they come from a religious perspective but in Lebanon, come on!

As people though, I have been devastated when most people we turned to actually said that they don’t want a cease fire! Lebanese. I know not all people are like that and I certainly do not exclude sunnis. All this iran talk.. I wouldn’t be surprised if I heard it from an Israeli but we know our country.. If one sect can rule the country would’ve been maronite a long time ago. I know the Christians are scared. They’re always scared. I’ve heard this since I was a kid when I used to ask my mom why the president has to maronite and how democratic is that.. but see you can be scared if you’re in danger, fine.. but to be scared of losing any of your power is another issue. And now the sunnis are scared. They don’t want a strong shia leadership or power to emerge just because they want to keep monopolizing the power and Jumblat? Please!. We know that but really how hypocritical. So as people we know very well that we have nothing to fear from each other than what the men in power want us to believe. When geagea went on tv threatening so subtly saying we still how to put a madfa3 together! We still remember.. This is not about safety.. this is strictly political maneuvering.

”we stand as divided as ever. ironically, we are divided because of that same thing that should unite us. we still don't have a real definition of the lebanese identity.
when some of us not so long ago burned the lebanese flag, when some believe in a bigger wider border nation, when some believe in allegiance to another country before their own, when some of us refuse to be called arabs, when most of us still believe in men instead of ideas, we will stay at war with ourselves.”
You’re right and for that we should all remain hopeful against all odds.

 
At Saturday, September 16, 2006 12:53:00 AM, Blogger Chas said...

Mirvat,
I found your post moving and thoughtful. Like many outsiders I am puzzled by Lebanon's politics and factionalism.
During the war I saw many, mainly Shia, I believe, who fled their homes being sheltered by other Lebanese, I assume many of those offering shelter were from different factions.
I also saw that in the south many people sought shelter in Christian villages.
I did not hear one story of people being turned away or mistreated. Was this in fact the case?

Lebanon was dealt a hammer blow by Israel and in spite of many apparent fault lines in the society, it did not fracture. Surely this, rather than the dubious claims of one party, was the true victory? A victory that every Lebanese can be truly proud of.

The impression I got was that there was, at the practical and human level, a tremendous unity, although this is not reflected in the politics since the ceasefire.

When I saw Lebanon under attack, I saw a nation, true and unique, a people with an intangible and powerful identity. What you call it, how you frame it .. that is hard to put into words .. but it is there for all that.

Peace, Chas

 
At Saturday, September 16, 2006 1:46:00 AM, Blogger Maldoror said...

Gabrielf,
I would have allowed comments if I wanted to read any.. sorry, but I do not want to open a discussion over it :) better luck with your sarcasm next time :)

 
At Saturday, September 16, 2006 9:19:00 PM, Blogger gabrielf said...

ok no prob.

 
At Saturday, September 16, 2006 10:42:00 PM, Blogger Eve said...

Gabriel, Im not sure what happened to your previous comment. i believe you were refering us to this link. correct me if you want to add anything. thank you.

 
At Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:17:00 AM, Blogger Mirvat said...

chas thank you for your comment. i guess i expect too much of my country because i see it perfect and this is how i want it to be. the things you mentioned are true. people in lebanon have a tremendous amount of love respect and appreciation to each other and we all help each other out. we have a lot of different opinions when it comes to politics but that's only because lebanon is a true democracy :)

sometimes when you focus on the few negative elements you risk being destructive. i thought i could afford a little tough love after focusing for a long time on the positive aspects of our society because being naively optimistic while disregarding some issues could also be dangerous.

but in short, don't worry chas, lebanon is more united than ever and getting better.

 
At Sunday, September 17, 2006 2:34:00 PM, Blogger عشتار said...

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At Sunday, September 17, 2006 2:42:00 PM, Blogger عشتار said...

Very good post Mervat , me as palestenian have to thank you for bringing up the tragedy of the palestenin children
no we are not fighing anymore , we stopped fighing for those children long time ago , very few of us even know abut the harsh reality of Gaza and the west bank , about those people who spend most of their lives under curfews , under the daily threat of israely soldiers bursting into their home in the middle of the night to take their father or brother , who survive the whole day on a peice of bread , who doesnt know what a toy looks like ,who lives under roofs that are not strong enough to protect them from rain , who are born to grew up without living their childhood.
we have all forgotten them , during the last israely invasion on lebanon , more than 150 palestenians were killed and no one even notices , you could have just read about it in very small corner in the last page of the newspaper...
In regards of religion i hope our horizones will once exceed religion , that our debate with ourselves , with the west and even with israel will be nautralized from religion and will only be based on our dignety and legal rights.

thank you

 
At Sunday, September 17, 2006 4:47:00 PM, Blogger SC said...

Not big on dissenting views, eh?

 
At Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:04:00 PM, Blogger Chas said...

mirvat,
good to hear, thank-you.

عشتار ,
I would like you to know, during the invasion of Lebanon, I wrote frequently to my MP and other MP's, to the Government of Canada, to newspapers and other media, protesting the refusal of aid to the Hamas gov. and the refusal to regognise and talk to that government. You were not entirely forgotten.
Now that there is a ceasefire in Lebanon I believe that seeking a political resolution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict should be at the top of the agenda.

Peace, Chas
emspeace.blogspot.com

 
At Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:57:00 PM, Blogger N10452 said...

When i read the starting post, i liked it but was confused about certain points till you made them clear in ur second reply.

First of all, i went to Broumanna and Gemmayze during war and dont regret it. This war was not my war and i didnt feel concerned with it.
It was Israel vs Hezbollah and it was Hezbollah who started it and should be held responsible of the destruction of Lebanon and mainly the South.

Of course i felt bad about the civlians being killed, but in the same time i didnt mind seeing Hezbollah a pro-Iranian pro-Islamic Pro-Syrian militia being crushed by Israel because i was confident Israel doesnt wanna invade Lebanon, it has no interest in doing so.

You dont believe Hezbollah wants to islamize the country, well facts speak for themselves and their motto speaks for itself and they never denied it publically.

As for the Christians being scared, they are worried more than scarred and they have every right to do so.
They have been persecuted and marginalized for the past 15 years and the Islamization threat is growing every day.
Geagea did not threaten anyone but made it clear where Hezbollah stands, something no one dared to do.

Anyway one thing is for sure, Lebanese diplomacy was the only victorious party in this war and the government did an immense effort and they have all my support.

As for the poor children of Palestine, i blame Arafat and Hamas and all those selfish politicians that sold their land back in the 50s to come to Lebanon, fortunatelly there were Christians in Lebanon to stand up against them before Syrians intervened to marginalize Palestinians and take over, an attempt also blocked by Christians.

Christians are not scarred but have been the only community to serve Lebanon first before anything and history speaks for itself.

 
At Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:59:00 PM, Blogger Mirvat said...

Ishtar thank you :)
chas, i really respect what you're doing, please keep it up.

n10452
"in the same time i didnt mind seeing Hezbollah a pro-Iranian pro-Islamic Pro-Syrian militia being crushed by Israel" i'm not going to defend HA's intentions again, i already did that. i am also not going to talk again about how our politics works and how not one party should accuse another of taking unilateral decisions in the country when each one of those parties at one time or another did exactly that coming out of your same logic that "christians do what's right for lebanon first", is it lebanon excluding the shias? is that the lebanon you want? because HA are the people in case you missed our previous discussions. so you didn't mind the continuation of killing of all these civilians and destruction of the country?

"They have been persecuted and marginalized for the past 15 years and the Islamization threat is growing every day." christians in lebanon persecuted? are we talking about lebanon? you also seem to leave out that christians in lebanon were killing each other. your 15 year window is a time when nobody had a saying in lebanon. it had nothing to do with religion it was about syria. syrian-backed lebanese christians and muslims were in control. and we both know with Assad's regime (hafez) it had nothing to do with religion. persecuted? .. that's very strange to hear.

when you say HA wants to islamize the country that only shows you don't know what you're talking about. not about HA not about islam. you sound like this friend of mine who once told me that the first time he came to west beirut he expected to see people on camels :)

"As for the poor children of Palestine, i blame Arafat and Hamas and all those selfish politicians that sold their land back in the 50s to come to Lebanon, fortunatelly there were Christians in Lebanon to stand up against them before Syrians intervened to marginalize Palestinians and take over, an attempt also blocked by Christians"

we know some christian extremists stood up also to a lot of poor palestinian civilians.. history DOES speak for itself.. may i remind you the christians were the ones to bring syria in the first place to get rid of the palestinians? thay blocked it? that was aoun's attempt and from your opinions you represent nothing of what aoun stood for back then.

 
At Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:33:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

Mirvat just to put you in the right image:
Check comments 3 (by an israeli) and 4 (by N10452) here (article quoted by israeli ambassador in UN)
Hizbollah took us as hostages

Some of N10452 posts during war:
Mo3allem el kalb, go home
Bashir jamyyel and the 1982 Israeli invasion

Who won the war?
christians and the Lebanese army

shiites of Lebanon, what exactly do u want?

 
At Sunday, September 17, 2006 9:35:00 PM, Blogger Mirvat said...

woooohohoho...
blown away.. thanks hilal..
i guess i knew who i was addressing when i saw 10452 which sadly became the symbol for the ouwet.
i really didn't know people could be capable of such distortion of facts and such hate and even stupidity.

lebanese lobby he says.. hehe..

hilal i only read the first one about bachir, made me sick to my stomach!
it's also interesting how he goes on about how christians are persecuted here.. detailing how they could've been in completet control on that post..
well tough.. sorry we didn't make your life easier!

that's exactly what my post was about. people like 10452 here..

 
At Sunday, September 17, 2006 10:47:00 PM, Blogger Emil , Jerusalem said...

Hi , everybody

Thanks to Mirvat for an interesting post , to Hilal for the very useful links in his last comment , and finally to N10452 for sparing me comments by almost expressing views of mine . It is even better that a Lebanese says it and not an Israeli.

Searching information about Brummana that is often mentioned here , I found it a real heaven. Wishing visit it when possible.

After reading a little about Bachir Gemayel , I'm sure he deserves a whole forum , not just a single post .

So even today there are controversial views about Kataeb and LF. What do bloggers think of Etienne Sakr ?
http://www.cedarguards.org

 
At Tuesday, September 19, 2006 1:52:00 AM, Blogger N10452 said...

Well i suggest u take few of Bashar el Assad speeches and Ahmadinajad and compare them to Hezbollah speeches.

If an Israeli supports Lebanon's sovereignty and getting rid of the terrorist organization called Hezbollah, i dont see whats wrong with that.

I dont understand this taboo about hating Israel just for the sake of it and defending our real ennemies Syria & Iran.

What distortion of information ?
Why dont u prove ur points instead of spreading rotten propaganda ?

 
At Tuesday, September 19, 2006 1:59:00 AM, Blogger N10452 said...

Dear Mirvat,
I did mind the death of innocent civilians and i surely did mind the destruction of my country cause of some reckless adventures done by Mr.Nasrallah.

However the Lebanese people was a victim of this war and not a party involved, Hezbollah was the only one involved and even though it is a Lebanese party, it was applying Syrian Iranian orders, something i wont tolerate and i d fight against which is what i did.

The government did a great job in diplomacy and i supported it 100% since day1 and i still do.

So Christian were not persecuted during Syrian rule ? well better read ur history well before debating on that issue .. do i need to remind you how Christians were marginalized since Taef ? their leaders killed or jailed or exiled ? their youth beaten and killed and interrogated ?

Hezbollah is the Islamic resistance in Lebanon, previously the Islamic Revolution .. now explain to me what those words mean and i ll be convinced cause u sound like the one not knowing what u r talking about if u have no clue what Hezbollah stands for.

Finally, again u r misleading people here, it was not Christians who brought Syria here, but few christian leaderships that were highly opposed by the Christian majority represented in the Lebanese Front led by Camille Chamoun and Pierre Gemayel and Bashir Gemayel back then and this opposition led to the Achrafieh fierce battle in 1978.

Again get ur info properly.
As for Christians killing innocent palestinians in Sabra and Chatilla, i totally condemn the criminals who did it and they are a disgrace to our community.

 
At Tuesday, September 19, 2006 3:50:00 AM, Blogger hillz said...

"If an Israeli supports Lebanon's sovereignty and getting rid of the terrorist organization called Hezbollah, i don’t see what’s wrong with that."

- have you heard about moral and ethical commitment with Palestinians? I don't think so.

"Why don’t u prove ur points instead of spreading rotten propaganda ?"

- I have been discussing you for along time but you see only the dirtiness of Syrian toilets as in here and u gave us recommendations on how to wipe asses in syria.

- you only see the "Christian" community ONLY.

- It's weird when you give ur self the right to say:
"it was not Christians who brought Syria here, but few Christian leaderships", while your posts are entitled by "Shiite of Lebanon, what do you want".

- your humanistic attitude is worth looking at when you say here:
"Christians and also Druzes need to be very careful when dealing with the refugees coming and must not build them safe camps temporarily since those might become later military camps similarly to the Palestinian ones."

hmmm. Interesting and humanistic!

- Another interesting solution of yours is "Federalism" here.


- you are asking about: “Islamic resistance and Islamic Revolution”?
it's nothing different than planting the Christianity cross in the orient. Why don't u get these two phrases while u get the concept of the cross??
What I mean is that all parties has its own original titles but nothing is implemented on land. They all deal with each other referring to a compromise when it comes to reality.

 
At Tuesday, September 19, 2006 5:24:00 AM, Blogger Mirvat said...

"If an Israeli supports Lebanon's sovereignty and getting rid of the terrorist organization called Hezbollah, i dont see whats wrong with that"

HA is half of the lebanese society whether he likes it or not and they can get support from syria or iran as much as other parties do from israel and the US. live with it. and israelis support lebanon's sovereignty? bombing the south all these years.. the south is not part of lebanon? what's the point of talking to you about the invasion too when you support chamoun and jmail and the lebanese forces and you would have done the same thing given the chance as you so obviously express it in your posts..

"I dont understand this taboo about hating Israel just for the sake of it and defending our real ennemies Syria & Iran."
no not for the sake of it but fo everything it stands for and for the way it treats the palestinians but again you obviously don't care because given you support the invasion and the collaboration with israel against the palestinians and you regretted that bachir didn't go on with it to the end in one of your posts.

"However the Lebanese people was a victim of this war" but you just said what's wrong with supporting israel in this war to get rid of HA, so you want the war, you support it, you don't want people to die and you are the victim...

"As for Christians killing innocent palestinians in Sabra and Chatilla, i totally condemn the criminals who did it and they are a disgrace to our community. "
again in your post you wanted the fascist regime to go on and you regret that these policies in collaboration with israel didn't go to the end..

"their youth beaten and killed and interrogated ?"
i personally know at least 5 muslims in my immediate family who went through that..

"Hezbollah is the Islamic resistance in Lebanon, previously the Islamic Revolution .. now explain to me what those words mean and i ll be convinced cause u sound like the one not knowing what u r talking about if u have no clue what Hezbollah stands for"
i know exactly what HA stands for. i do not like it that our resistance is under the form of religion. i do not like it that any political movement in lebanon takes the shape of a confessional loyalty including yours. they might be called islamic revolution but they only fight for our land. i will severely condemn them the day when i see them oppressing or killing people from other confessions like we all did to each other before.

 
At Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:37:00 PM, Blogger N10452 said...

"have you heard about moral and ethical commitment with Palestinians? I don't think so."

Palestinians ?? The root of all our problems are Palestinians and i dont wanna be commited not 1 % to their cause because they sold it long time ago. I dont care about them and dont care about the Palestinian cause, my cause is the Lebanese one wou bass.


I see you have been reading me thouroughly, so the Syrians didnt commit any atrocities in Lebanon ?

"it was not Christians who brought Syria here, but few Christian leaderships", while your posts are entitled by "Shiite of Lebanon, what do you want".

Of course, since more than 80% of the Shiites voted for Amal-Hezbollah while the Christians who wanted Syria were minorities.


"hmmm. Interesting and humanistic!"

Whats so interesting ? who welcomed the Palestinians and treated them as honored citizens ?
And we saw what we got from them ..
Do you need a list of the massacres they did ?

"- Another interesting solution of yours is "Federalism" here."

What about Federalism ?

"it's nothing different than planting the Christianity cross in the orient. Why don't u get these two phrases while u get the concept of the cross?? "

Fachar, No Christian party in Lebanon wants to make Lebanon a Christian nation, our aim is to preserve our rights and freedom, not turn everyone into Christian.

 
At Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:48:00 PM, Blogger N10452 said...

To Mirvat,

HA is half the Lebanese society ? Shiites represent max 35 % of Lebanon's population, so get ur numbers right.


"other parties do from israel and the US".

Who is getting support from Israel and US ? are the LF and PSP and FM getting armed and trained by US or Israel ?

Why would i care about Palestiniains ?? what did they do for us so we care about them ?
We welcomed them at first and they tried to invade our country and commited atrocities against our people.
Their cause is in Palestine and my cause is only the Lebanese cause.
Explain to me again how Syria and Iran are better than Israel ?

I dont want war, and i dont support it, but since Hezbollah started it, i d rather have see Hezbollah disarmed and losing from this war for Lebann's sake.


"i personally know at least 5 muslims in my immediate family who went through that.. "

So what ? you know that Christians formed 99% of those who demonstrated back then.

What does HA stand for ? Prove to me that he is not for an Islamic Revolution in Lebanon.

 

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