27.12.05

Gaga googoo

Yesterday, I was having lunch at a restaurant in Kuwait where I live. At the table next to mine, there were 8 young, Lebanese, high school, male students. They were extremely loud... which is OK with me until they started a Lebanese political "discussion." Kids not a day older than 15, who apparently have never resided in Lebanon, were having a aounist vs. geageaist argument. It irritated the hell out of me. They weren't even alive during the war! How can they argue on who is better, aoun or geagea and bring up "files" from the 80s?! Why should they follow aoun or geagea, or anyone else for that matter? Why do the Lebanese feel they need a za3im? If there is a need for a za3im, why aren't there any new za3ims?

11 Comments:

At Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:14:00 PM, Blogger zwixo said...

it's the parents... and their parents and their parents (without generalizing). It's how they repress all creative and new thought in a child's mind and allow and disallow everything. It's how they feed him everything on the basis of good and bad and never let him decide right from the start. What we have now is a programmed generation that will program in its turn the next generation. no imagination, no thought, just programs.

 
At Tuesday, December 27, 2005 6:48:00 PM, Blogger Lebanese Meze said...

Politics is our national sport. Kids in the U.S. have baseball, we have aoun and geagea. What pity, and rather shitty.

 
At Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:18:00 PM, Blogger RM said...

I am a bit confused with your discontent guys.

Should we not discuss Nazism, colonialism and other genocides because we were not alive then? What kind of argument is this?

It is not the first time I hear this. In fact, many times I was told by older fellow Lebanese to shut up and listen because I was a boy during the war and had not suffered as much as them and should not speak about it.

Anyway, it is healthy, in my view, to see young people discuss politics -- they athe future and they should know about the past. This is also a key feature of healthy democracies (though I am not contending that ours is...)

I honnestly feel proud when I see we are politically involved as a people.

 
At Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:19:00 AM, Blogger ghassan said...

Ramzi Mabsout nailed it!!! It is rather silly to ask people to refrain from a discussion merely because the events in question took place prior to ones time of birth.Maybe we should not discuss creation or even study history. I am sure however that Rampurple did not mean to stiffle people because of their age. It appears to me that she was expressing exassperation with the ideas of tribalism and traditional leadership. Unless we can outgrow politics as usual then Lebanon will never live up to our expectations of becoming a modern democracy.

 
At Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:43:00 PM, Blogger Aachkouti Democrat said...

I am the new za3im!

 
At Wednesday, December 28, 2005 1:58:00 PM, Blogger zwixo said...

ramzi, of course these boys can discuss politics and whatever, but i think the point is how these kids have so many convictions and principles and like "if you cut my hand, my blood is "Oowwet""... a 13 year old says.

 
At Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:05:00 PM, Blogger Eve said...

I understand what Rampurple is referring to. When I overhear discussions like that, it’s usually a chaotic jungle where everyone just wants to rip the skin of the other. I don’t notice any willingness to consider the other person’s opinion or discuss ideas rationally, just stubbornness and a belief that goes like this: pigs can fly but I can’t be wrong. All I hear is shouting where everyone is speaking and no one is really listening. At least, this happen in most of the cases. Nevertheless, no one can ask them to stop discussing, or shut up, or any of the sort; i'm hoping they'll gain maturity with time.. and practice.

 
At Wednesday, December 28, 2005 2:59:00 PM, Blogger gabrielf said...

there is no new za3im cos people like you are shuttin the youth up, wasnt mozart a za3im when he was 10 years old? good thing you werent born to publish such a post!!!! :)

 
At Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:09:00 PM, Blogger [ j i m m y ] said...

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At Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:18:00 PM, Blogger Rampurple said...

guys dont misunderstand, i encourage the youth to discuss politics, but i discourage them to blindly follow politicians just because their parents or grandparents do, or in some cases coz that political party is the cool one. if u heard the discussion i overheard u would understand what i am talking about, these kids got their details all wrong... they werent stating facts but they were talking about what they heard over the grapevine.

also, just like eve stated, a discussion is when people are open to hearing other people's opinions, understand where other people are coming from and in attempt to respond to that. a discussion is not where u memorize lines and restate them over and over again angrily ...

 
At Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:30:00 AM, Blogger RM said...

But there are youth, what do you expect? Their views need to mature and lose the youth passion & fire.

Have we all forgotten how it was a question of life and death when we argued as teens?

The problem from my side is that there are no adults to teach them to make the leap to reasoned and respectful mutually enriching discussions and you accordingly you have what you have in Lebanon: Adults with stunted discussion capabilities.

 

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