An American of French/Spanish background SUPPORT

I had this comment in my blog on the poste entitled : ..by mistake.

As an American of French/Spanish background, I am sadden to see what is going on in Lebanon. Any people have the right to protect themselves from terrorism or agression, but who is doing the agression here? I'm sad to say that the U.S. mainstream media is so bias with Israel and they are so arrogant and afraid to speak out against Israel. I am not anti-Simitic, I am anti-Zionist, as I am anti-Christian fundamentalist, or anti-Islamic fundamentalist. When religion is used as a tool to oppress others or to rage war, it is wrong. Under our Selected King George (not-elected president) Bush, fear has been used to support the terrorist acts of the U.S. government and the continuing terrorist acts of Israel. Why is Israel destroying the infrastructure of Lebanon? Do they care anything about the Lebanese people? Going after the infrastructure of Hizballah and the infrastructure of Lebanon are two different stategies. We now see that Israel has crossed the line by killing and going after civilians. Yet the U.S.'s King George will still send 3 billion dollars a year to the Israeli war machine. I am worried that tensions will escalate, because we have certain fanatical people in our governments who believe in Bible prophesy and could care less about Peace or saving our planet. Sorry for posting such a long comment. Just wanted to show my support for the Lebanese and all other people who are innocent and let you know that we are having protests in the U.S. in support of Lebanon and calling our Congressmembers to take action to resolve the situation.
Be safe and sane. Peace

(commenting from Los Angeles, CA)


At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:25:00 AM, Blogger BeefStu said...

Dear "French/Spanish American" (whatever the hell that means) in Loony L.A. Land,

Ah yes... Yet another nuanced American leftist who claims to be against "Islamic fundamentalists" but by some strange coincidence only ever speaks out against Israel. Can't you even muster a single word against Hizballah, the terrorist punks who started this whole mess and have been steadily dragging Lebanon into the toilet over the past 20 years?

It's no surprise that you've managed to spew the usual moonbat talking points against the President, but please wake me up if and when you ever get around to condemning Hizballah and their terror masters in Iran and Syria--all of whom refuse to let the Israelis live in peace. I won't hold my breath.

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:42:00 AM, Blogger hillz said...

"whatever the hell that means"
choose ur words..a nd try to see other media stations..

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:35:00 AM, Blogger Gokhan said...

I can't believe that whole world still insists to believe that the evil is what we're told.

After 9/11 American's was told Iraq is behind of it, so they bombed the hell out of the whole country. We're supposed to believe that b.llsh.t because the most powerful nation in the world tells so.

Predestined, and well-designed; these attacks are the result of a big master plan which has nothing to do with two kidnapped soldiers. It has nothing to do with Hannibals bullcrap thing. It's about "ok, why don't we just f.ck up the whole country, so they won't cause any trouble anymore".

Israel don't want to be left in peace. It wants war. I creates the reasons for it, it spends tons of money for it, it buys weapons, it terrifies it's people, it makes it's own enemy.

Israel is being more and more hatred today, which will bring more pain and agony on every nation. You can't fight fire with fire.

You can not destroy a terrorist organization, by destroying the country. You just destroy the country, so you gain more enemies. You gain more enemies, you make more money on weapons. You got the weapons, you rule the territory.

Thats the god damn reason of all. Thats about getting rid of everything that you don't understand, they don't care about. Thats pure god damn racism in all means.

I hate to say it, but I was planning to spend my holiday on Beirut 2 years ago, and I told my girlfriend :" Honey we should be quick, I guess US or Israel is going to destroy Beirut, or any other middle-east capital in the future, for some reason "

I hope every single person on this planet, supporting this massacre; will get what they deserve.

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:26:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Gokhan let me ask you 2 questions
1) Do you no of a nation that will suffer repeated unprovoked attacks against soldiers and civilians across an internationaly recognized border??
2) I don't know if you know modern weapons very well but if we wanted we could easily destroy everything in Lebanon and turn it into a flat desert (and I am not talking about WMD).
You might argue our methods but not our intentions. The life of our citizens is dearer to us than the lives of other people but if that's racism than I guess the brits evacuating brit citizens or the swiss evacuating their citizens racism too.

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:36:00 AM, Blogger BeefStu said...

I hope every single person on this planet, supporting this massacre; will get what they deserve.

Me too! But don't worry... The Hizballah thugs who support the massacre of Jews (and clearly don't give a shit about Lebanon, by the way) will definitely get what they deserve. Too bad impotent, blustering dhimmis like you won't have anything to do with it, and it will once again be the Israelis and the rest of the civilized world who will invest their blood and treasure to clean up a mess of someone else's making.

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:36:00 AM, Blogger Sir Sefirot said...


As the song says, "there's a time to live, there's a time to die, but no one can escape the destiny".

Hizbullah terrorists will soon find theirs. And let's hope some Syrian and Iranian suicide wannabes as well.

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:50:00 PM, Blogger Gokhan said...

in reply to shmulik ( i don't see a reason to reply other comments )

1- My nation (Turkey), and believe me we're dealing with it in far more human ways. We lost 40.000 people because of PKK terror, for 30 years; which is supported by not just Iraq, but many other European countries. We do not murder their civilians too.

2- I don't understand your point, but let's make it clear. You've already destroyed Lebanon, which they hardly built in past 20 years. I'm not telling you this, people fleed from the country are telling.

So what's the point of telling the world you having super-fuckin-advanced weapons; if you do not only aim for your enemy, but the entire country. Including civilian targets, bridges, hospitals, civilian airports, highways etc. ?

And let me tell you. As long as your so-advanced-civilization goes on to see Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese, people of Iran, people of middle-east as mindless stupid apes; and don't care about their lives. You'll suffer because of it. Because it's wrong. Don't let your government deceive you.

Let's just put aside the "whole world is against us" theory. Put aside to whole anti-semi thing that you're using as an excuse for every evil act you're doing. What are you really afraid of ?

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:32:00 PM, Blogger BeefStu said...

As long as your so-advanced-civilization goes on to see Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese, people of Iran, people of middle-east as mindless stupid apes

Although you won't stoop to reply to anyone but shmulik, I'll reply to you, gokhan. I think you're confused. It's not the Torah or Bible that says:

[2:65] And well ye knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath: We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."

[5:60] Say: "Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from God? those who incurred the curse of God and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!"

...and those shining pearls of ancient wisdom and tolerance definitely aren't talking about "Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese, Persians, or middle-easterners"! :-)

Say it with me so you don't forget: Hizballah started this mess, while the Lebanese did nothing to stop them and in many cases, outright supported them. Israel has every right to finish it. Even the Arabs aren't deluded enough to be blaming Israel for defending itself!

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:28:00 PM, Blogger Gokhan said...

Dude I don't really give a sh.t about that distorted bible you have, and I'm definitely not talking about any prophecy or something. God's people are equal in every aspect.

Let's get back to the basics. Israel is keeping more than a thousand Palestinians in prison, Israel is performing the 3rd illegal operation on Lebanese lands, and it's against the international laws. Everyone tells you don't have right to do it but you keep doing it.

Hizballah captures two soldiers, Israel starts to murder children.


Please take a look at this pictures, and tell me you're after the Hizballah leader. Let's be honest. Do you really believe what you're standing for ? Or you're doing it just because you're doing it, and you're able to ?

What have those children got to do with any terrorist act ?

Hizbullah is using guerilla tactics, so what's the point of destroying the electric circuit of the city ? Do you really think that they need electricity to act ? Are you out of your mind ?

I've been into Syria, Aleppo. Those people are living in peace, christians, frenchmen, englishmen, muslim arabs, christian arabs even jews. They absolutely have no problem with each other. Until you go further to destroy it too.

If it was a war you would be probably right abaout civil casualities. But it's not a war, it's not self defense. Self defense should be in a equal measure.

IT IS AN INVASION. You crippled a beautiful country.

And if this is Israel's justice, I hope God puts real justice on everyone who is supporting this.

Turkish people will not forget, what Israel has done

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:54:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

you miss my point about weapons. my point isn't to say "look, we have big guns" my point is that we don't want to destroy lebanon. my point was that IF we wanted to destroy Lebanon, the death toll and destruction there would have been much much greater by now. when an air force wants to really destroy a country you can expect hundreds of thousnds of victims each day (example: Dresden and Hamburg during WII). the 200 death toll (including militants) although tragic shows restraint on our part. The hizballah cynicly fires and stores weapons INSIDE civilian areas it is they who are to blame for most civilians dead.
Hizballah didn't just capture 2 soldiers they killed 3 more AND wounded some civilians in the initial attack. The Hizballah has never ever ever limited it's attacks on soldiers (example in 92 they blew up a jewish building in Buenuss-aires killing 90 men) how can you tell me they are not terroists?
another point: our own goverment has threatend papa Assad for war so he would stop supporting PKK. the irony is that you used your alliance with Israel to pressure him. The only difference is that Assad capitulated and Nassaralah didn't.
I have never compared arabs to apes, and I never insulted anyone on this forum (at least not intentionally) and if I did i apologize. I am telling you that alot of the hatred toward israel is because of heaps of lies that you are being fed with (off course you can say the same about me so this is why I ant a rational debate).

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:10:00 PM, Blogger Gokhan said...

shmulik my last reply was not for you, it was for beefstu.

I don't deny that Hizballah is not terrorist. They captured and killed people in Turkey (in the name of god) too, so we don't have any kind of sympathy for them and their acts. As a matter of fact, we don't have sympathy for any extremist cult or organization.

And I must say that, we don't have anything against Israel and jewish people. We don't teach our children to hate Israel, if you've meant this with the lies.

But the thing is, when Israel does what it does in this way; people will continue to see the Hizballah as rebels against the enemy. Like freedom fighters. Because when you hit the city with heavy fire, no one else answers. Whole worlds is just sitting and watching, and warning Israel not to be too harsh. Dude we're not talking about a 5 year old going to be beaten by his dad. It's a country and it's honour. This will do no good, I'm trying to tell. And I'm mentally exhausted trying to convince people that this is wrong.

Israel has very well trained special forces that can easily infiltrate Hizballah's HQ's. But instead of that, Israel choose to display it's power, it's ability to bring a weak country on it's knees.

U.S. did it. Adolf Hitler did it.

And about the alliance thing, I've replied you under another topic in the blog but I don't think this has nothing to do with what is happening today.

Let's make it clear. It is true that Turkey used it's alliance to put some pressure on Syria. But that's a political action. There is a big difference.

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk said once:
" Peace on the land, peace on earth "

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:29:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

I am afraid you belittle the amount of damage the Hizballah does to Israel. a third of our contry is paralyzed inside bombshelters and we know any time Nassarallah gets a phone call ftom teheran he will cross the border and attack us. Don't we have honour too? what should we say to our citizens? This is more than a guerilla/terroist organization this is an iranian army on our doorstep. Don't you think that if we could take out Nassaralah and free our soldiers in a commando raid we would do that? Don't you think that if we had a weapon that could magickly kill only hisballah militants we wouldn't use it? i know that from lebanon it loks like we try to destroy the country, but we really don't. Hizbalah hids among the civilians and it's very difficult to avoid harming them, more ever many condemn us for destroyng civilian infrastructure but the problem is that Hizballah uses this infrastructure too. Let me give you an example, the same roads that refugees use, are used by the hizballah to transport rockets to our border. what should we do? I know we pay a political and moral price for what we do, but it's the Hizballah insinuation inside the civilian population that causes the civlian damage, and not some murderous intent.
off point, lets say Assad didn't back off, would you have told him "no worry, we were just kidding with you, our threats mean nothing"??
I am sorry but I doubt that.

At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:35:00 AM, Blogger Gokhan said...

Shmulik, I don't underestimate the value of Israeli lives, neither do I for Palestinian, or Syrian. Among all differences, there is one thing in common. That we are all human beings, and everyone deserves to live just as much as others.

I think Israelis are misinformed about the losses and the damage on Lebanon. But believe me more damage is done than you see the way it is. One of my friends in America had his wife and kids over Lebanon for vacation. They're telling us that the city is flat now. Try alternative media, they're not just making it up.

Hizballah has short range missiles as well as long range missiles. They didn't use any long range missiles until today. They didn't buy them last week am i wrong ?. They have Russian weapons too.

They'll hit Tel Aviv man, in respond soon the whole region is going become an inferno. I hope this won't happen, this will affect many lives and economies and everything will be more unstable. There will be more terror threat for superpowers, and every country that doesn't put a stop to this. Because it's the way of feeding extremist terror manpower.

I think some countries economies depends on cheap oil, and selling weapons. Hizballah, Saddam, even Taliban was made and trained by secret services. They don't just grow themselves on the desert sands.

BTW if Assad didn't backoff, he would probably die in some tragic-accident.

I don't feel like replying anymore, I feel tired and upset. But obviously we have different ideas, so there's no point to argue.

At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:57:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

have a good night sleep, be safe and I hope to talk to you tomarrow.


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