18.7.06

Demo

44 Comments:

At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:45:00 AM, Blogger KSM said...

I pray that the Lebanese government will team up with Israel to remove Hezbollah from its soil. Then Lebanon and Israel can both benefit from increased peace and prosperity. This is all Hezbollah & Syria and Iran's fault. Let's hope that the US and other civilized countries continues to support Israel so that the madness of the death-cult of Hamas and Hezbollah can be brought to a quick end.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:07:00 AM, Blogger Eve said...

since I'm the first one to comment here, let me say: murder indeed ya sasmen, murder indeed.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:11:00 AM, Blogger SC said...

I'll be there with an Israeli flag counterprotesting. Thanks for telling me where to be. The hezbollah crowd will get an earful.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:13:00 AM, Blogger SC said...

These organizers have to be pretty stupid bringing up Geneva convention violations when all hezbollah does is violate every humanitarian convention known to man. But I imagine there are nazi apologists for everything, including hizbullah. Just look at this blog. Hizbullah supporters from top to bottom with a few exceptions.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:29:00 AM, Blogger Sasmen said...

If we dont say: heil Israel, the peaceful country of Love, we are Hizbollah Supporters?!! think a little sc, open your eyes... come to Lebanon & see what is going on... Do you think Liban Lait (milk industry) is a terrorist industry? do you think towns, houses are terrorists bases. do you think bridges, rivers, hopsitals, are terrorist bases. i know your country is bombed by Hizbollah, but did your govermnment bombed really hizbollah? till now just one dead?!! while bombing all Lebanon from the north to the south??!
Well, the manifestation in Montreal is not supporting Hizbollah, it is just a manifestation against war : causes & effects!! so i guess you can come & protest with them IF YOU ARE A PEACE SUPPORTER LIKE US

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:45:00 AM, Blogger Solomon2 said...

This is war, not murder. Israel could have simply hit the airport terminal first if it wanted to commit murder. Instead it damaged the runways, then the fuel tanks. Once nearly everyone got the message and left, then the terminal was bombed. This is war, not murder.

Doubtless the quickest and happiest (for Lebanon) way to peace is for the Lebanese government to not only agree to Israel's conditions, but ally with it to root out Hezbollah as well. What keeps you from doing this? Fear? Nasrallah is in hiding. Pride? What is there to be proud of?

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:16:00 AM, Blogger jooj said...

This is not war, this is murder. War has rules and laws. Israel has violated the simplest of these laws from day one: people who are not fighting should be left alone. The basic means of life can not be taken from them. People can not be advised to flee and then be butchered while fleeing.

You will tell me that Hizbullah is killing civilians in Israel as well. All I can say is that it is not Hizbullah who started the killing of innocent people. And this is not the first time Israel beats Hizbullah to that. Israel has an unwavering history in Lebanon of unmistakenly hitting civilian targets, including hospitals and ambulances.

You may, however, call it War, the Israeli flavour, the laws of which are definitely not covered the Geneva Convention.

I don't suppose you need me to provide a link to the Laws of War.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:26:00 AM, Blogger bodhisattva said...

SC,

i look forward to seeing you there. You with your Israelie flag denouncing what we're doing, and we'll just get on with it. We have our priorities, and you have yours! Goodluck to you.

p.S: don't you just love democracy :)
p.pS: i don't bite, and you'll see the face of who you would consider an enemy, but still i encourage you to say hi. :)

Bodhi.

N.b. i URGE ALL BLOG owners of Lebanese Blogs and PRO PEACE Individuals who want to see an end to this civilian crisis to put up this poster on their site. Please, you can be alot of help,

regds

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:39:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

JOOJ please tell me how can you not hit civilians when rockets are launched near houses and Hizballah warehouses are inside cities. Lebanese roads and bridges are used to transport rockets, Lebanese, Lebanese airports are used to smuggle weapons and so on. Hizballah is cynicly using Lebanese civilians as human shields exactly so good-natured men will condemn Israel. BTW mistakes do happen, altough I know it's a little comfort for those killed. You should know full well that if we intended to simply kill lebanese the death toll would be hundreds of thousnds by now. I am sorry but if I am a fighter pilot and I spot a rocket launcher near a house I will attack because in the end my civilians come first. You may call that racism (and some how I am sure you will) but if so, isn't brits evacuating brits and swiss evacuating swiss racism too??
For the record during the initial attack across the border (3 soldiers dead and 2 captured) sevral civilians were wounded by the Hizballah so please don't tell me the Hizballah plays fair.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:47:00 AM, Blogger Lycanthropy said...

if returning two soldiers would end this, then it should be done as soon as possible.
we can not let our pride stand in the way of saving the country from this insanity unleashed by israel.

Maybe we should pettition hizb to realease them...
any ideas how this could be done?

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:54:00 AM, Blogger Assaad said...

This is Definitely MURDER

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:01:00 AM, Blogger jooj said...

shmulik: (trying to pronounce your name while typing. What can't you have a simple and easy name like mine?).

I agree, Israel can target a lot more civilians and kill tens of thousands of innocent people, just like in 1982. I am really grateful. Thanks for being so considerate. Kattir kheir Israel.

Are you suggesting Marwahin was a mistake? While I can not provide physical evidence that it was not a mistake, you have obliged yourself to provide evidence that it was! And for that, you have to convince me that a Hizbullah rocket launcher had been spotted in the proximity. If Marwahin is a mistake, then so is qana and many others.

Same argument applies to the airport, which happens to be the only international airport. Human Rights Watch stresses that bombing airports can only be justified after providing evidince it has been used for smuggling weapons and captured soldiers and such. And even in that case, the interest of the civilians comes first.

Too much coincidence can not be a mistake. A pattern eventually develops and it becomes a theory. A proof then follows, whether by induction or by deduction.

Waiting for evidence that crimes are mistakes

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:28:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

While I can not proof Marwaheen was mistake I can tell you it is claimed by the IDF to be a mistake (BTW Qana too). I can easily prove that the Hizballa does uses civilians as human shields. I have personally seen films of attacks on rocket launchers inside towns. What is exactly the Dahiea (spelling?) in southern Beirut if not a terroist stronghold inside a city?? How rockets travel to the border from Baal-Beck (for example) if not by roads and bridges?? About the airport I have no proof. Let me ask you why should we kill civilians on purpose? what will we gain by it? Let's sat we want to do it why not more??
About mistakes I have not heard of a single air campaign that mistakes havn't occured in and I can give you numerous examples from Serbia to Iraq and much more. mistakes can save lives too, only last week a top HAMAS terroist (freedom-fighter?) was saved because an air bomb didn't go off. This wasn't the first time we faild to kill him. By your logic we don't really want to kill him because several mistakes=intent.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:52:00 AM, Blogger jij said...

Moron: Daheih is a there most densely populated area of Beirut. Hundreds of thousands of poor working-class people live there. Most of them support Hezbollah because they believe that the party represents them, and because they mostly come from the south, and they know what Israeli aggression means. Many of my friends live there. Most are Muslims, but some are Christians. Most support Hezbollah, some are communists, some are against it. Terrorist stronghold... Stop shooting ignorant drivel from your mouth. If you don’t know about something, don’t assume you do and keep quiet. Your army is hitting our roads and bridges and ports to break our backbone and demoralize us. They want to make us so weak we beg you for whatever cease-fire conditions you ask for. And while they’re at it, they want to take us back economically twenty years, so that we never dream of competing with you on any level. Jounieh port is in an area predominantly inhabited by Christian maronites. If you're telling me you think Hezbollah smuggles weapons from Jounieh port or from Batroun for that matter, or from Tripoli, and you're saying it with a straight face, then excuse me while I fucking laugh my ass off. You think Hezbollah bring weapons from Beirut international airport? What, on a first class plane ticket from Tehran? You’re a joke. You think the IDF hits a bus carrying a family driving in a van on a deserted road by mistake? And you have the balls to say that?
I’ll tell you why Israel doesn’t just blitz Beirut and kill hundreds of thousands. It’s not because the IDF are humanitarians. It’s because they don’t want the world opinion to turn on them. They kill just enough not to drive too much attention to them. You see, unfortunately, American and western media are so pathetically biased towards you that killing 200, 300, 500 people can pass under the radar. Killing 50,000 won’t, not that you wouldn’t do it if you could get away with it. You want to break our resolve and drive us to desperation while at the same time keeping the grand bullshit myth of ‘self-defense’. Fuck you. We know what you’re doing and it’s not going to work. Hezbollah have the backing of hundreds of thousands of Lebanese, and we’re not backing off.
One more thing. I’d like everyone to re-read the last sentence this bozo wrote. “mistakes can save lives too, only last week a top HAMAS terroist (freedom-fighter?) was saved because an air bomb didn't go off. This wasn't the first time we faild to kill him. By your logic we don't really want to kill him because several mistakes=intent.” So if Israel tries to kill a Hamas leader repeatedly and fails, they don’t really want to kill him, because it constitutes intent. They intend to miss. That WAS exactly the point you were making, right Assad? What a fucking joke. I have to work. Bye.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:54:00 AM, Blogger MAZe said...

I love how the Israeli contributors think peace will come by getting rid of Hezbollah.

Do you have any friendly neighbours?

This is an invasion using the pretext of returning two soldiers to destroy a country trying to find its feet.

Does Israeli law sanction destroying and killing its civilian involved in its own backyard?

Then again, Israel is no ordinary country: built on the displacement and apartheid of generations of people.

You might get rid off of Hezbollah, but you're going to leave a bad taste in other people's hearts and minds for a very long time.

But for now, I sincerely hope the Lebanese people will stand united in this adversary despite.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:56:00 AM, Blogger jooj said...

"why should we kill civilians on purpose?"

One possible and logical explanation is that by disposing a few lives, more lebanese will flip on Hizbullah. Another reason: They don't give a fuck about civilian lebanese lives.

It is Israel who is making these mistakes, and hence they are obliged to submit justifying evidence.

About endangering the lives of civilians: similarly, I need proof that Da7yi is a military base for Hizbullah to justify the amount of damage incurred on it. I say military because Hizbullah has a big civilian branch that is spread out among civilians. They have many humanitrian institutions, hospitals and schools. There are brothers in the same family sleeping under he same roof, yet one of them can be a member of Hizbullah while the other might be a critique of Hizbullah. Many of them have day jobs and they interact with other people.

I think you were talking about PLO in how much they endangered the lives of civilians

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:16:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

JOOJ
Here is something a lebanese blogger named Jad J has written:
"TO EVERYBODY, I just received TWO very very very disturbing news, and it contradicts what i've been trying to say for the last couple of days:

1- There is a christian village in the south (Ayn Ibil) surrounded by shii'a villages. it is receiving all refugees from that area becoz it is not considered as a Hizbullah area, therefore, Shii'a from around the countryside are pouring there. But it got shelled 2 days ago, and is being since, and i've been warning some people here that there will be another "Kana massacre" in Ayn Ibil becoz the IAF will be lured there to make the same mistake. Now a few minutes ago, a priest from Ayn Ibil who came to beirut to take medical supplies to the refugees up there since the civil services cannot reach it, he said that Hizbullah are entering the village with Pickups mouted with rocket launchers, shooting towards israel, then leaving. I might tend to disbelieve him although he is a priest and he has no reason at all to lie about such a thing but, the second news is:
2- I received news that Hizbullah militants are leaving the Dahyeh and trying to enter West Beirut, a mainly Sunnii area, and provoke the IAF from there, But unfortunately, icannot confirm that news with hard evidence at the moment, i request from West Beirutees to keep their eyes open.

"The reason for this kind of behavior is the fact that non-shii'a areas are still Relatively safe, and are mainly against supporting hizbullah, therefore, if those areas were attacked, it would strenghen Nasrallah's position for obvious reasons.

I hope this is not true or else the events will unfold some catastrophic consequences."
You can say that I am lying of course or that Jad J is not really a lebanese but a mossad agent but why a tactic that was good for the PLO is bad to the Hizballah. You know full well that Lebanon is a small country (especially the south) and is now completely covered by drones, manned airplanes and is watched with sattelites. I can tell you for a fact that hundreds of rockets have been fired by the Hizballah on Israel. please tell me, Where can the hizballah hide this weapons. How can they launch so many rockets without the IAF destroying the launchers with ease??

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:50:00 AM, Blogger Solomon2 said...

It's just hard to find, track, and destroy mobile launchers, that's all. The U.S. Air Force found it difficult during the 1991 Gulf War, I doubt if Israel finds it much easier now.

jooj: Yeah, provide me with a link to the Laws of War. What I've checked so far today is that under the Geneva Conventions, Lebanese civilians are not "protected persons".

jooj: You didn't rebut my previous reply, so we must assume that Israel does indeed care about preserving human lives. jij had a more interesting answer. I only wish it were true, but unfortunately in this world the more a nation kills the less likely it is that the world pays attention.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:04:00 AM, Blogger jooj said...

shmug: Ayn Ibil is receiving refugees you created. Those refugees can not flee to Beirut because a) there are no safe roads and 2)if they do make it in one piece to Da7yi, they will be under attack there as well. And who is delivering Jad J's news about HA moving from Da7yi into West Beirut? I wonder if the IDF is making decisions and calculations based on Jad J's recommendations and fears. One more thing: From what I recall, Ayn Ibil was full of SLA members that Hizbullah did not harm when they took over the village in 2000.

solteezi
"so we must assume that Israel does indeed care about preserving human lives"
Ahlen!
As for the link, google "Laws of War" with the "I am feeling lucky" option

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:24:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

JOOJ
you miss the point. The post I have showed you proves that the Hizballah uses civilian shields. I ask you, WHY do they fire rockets into Israel from ayin-nabil? Why can't they fire from a field near-by? I am not saying that they want Ayn-nabil destroyed, I am saying that they fire from there because eighter an israeli pilot will feel compassion and won't bomb or the pilot will bomb and Al-manar could show how the israeli blood-thirsty monsters kill civilians. this is exactly using human-shields.
I don't understand why you think that the Hizballah is morally superior to the PLO.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:26:00 AM, Blogger reminiscor said...

"This is war, not murder. Israel could have simply hit the airport terminal first if it wanted to commit murder."

Yes, we already know that Israel would never hurt Western citizens.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:38:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

We are not racist reminiscor if western citizens are near valid targets they will be blown to bits just like lebanese civilians. Is this fair? off course not. Using human shields is the cause of this death (some times "human shielding" is not in purpose, for example a bridge used by refugee buses is used by hizballah trucks to move their rockets, thus making it a valid target).

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:42:00 AM, Blogger jooj said...

shmug, you missed my point as well which is: why do we believe Jad midri joo who is an "Ain Ibillese"?
Now I feel I am wasting my time. Anyways, this brings closure; at least for now. So ta ta

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:53:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

JOOJ
I am not missing your point. i told you you may think JAD J is lying or that I am lying. In fact you can dismiss everything I say as enemy propoganda and be done with it. However I do think I have shown you that it is very logical for the Hizbollah to use such tactics. If you want me to go into Lebanon bring a hizballah man by the ear to your house and ask him to tell you that they use human-shields than no I can't do that.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:10:00 AM, Blogger Sir Sefirot said...

This is war, and that's WHY:

If Israel wanted to commite murder, it would use some really beautiful weapons, of which it has a large stock, called "daisycutters", who for novices like you in the art of war, are the like of little atomic bombs. No chemicals, no nuclear, but they do a beautiful boom when they go off. Just make sure you are at one mile from the explosion point, or else, nice knowing you.

A couple of these could totally erase most of Beirut off the map. Not to talk about the rest of the country.

My question is, if Israel is so much directed to targeting civilians, why haven't they used them?

Because it ISN'T murder, stupids.

Now stop whining and watch how a war is fought. Maybe you'll learn something.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:12:00 AM, Blogger Sir Sefirot said...

Now that I review it, it's actually half a mile, but anyway, it doesn't change things.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:18:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Sir serfalot I am an israeli and I know you are right but you explain yourself in an insulting way. It is hard to think rationaly when you are bombed and the way you post tends to inflame things. No disrespect just my opinion.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:40:00 AM, Blogger Marwa said...

Sir Sefirot,

"Beautiful weapons", "Beautiful boom" ?

You get some kind of thrill out of war?

It seems your enjoying this.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:06:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

JIJ if you can't read my post carefully it's not my fault.
JOOJ explained to me that we can't be making mistakes becauses repeated mistakes mean that it's not really a mistake and I believe you share is opinion.
I have merely shown that repeated mistakes CAN be mistakes. My example is that we have failed to kill him many times. By your logic it's impossible we will make many mistakes and there must be another explanation for example "we don't really want him dead".
Another point- how do you know were the hizballah operates. I live in Israel where our army doesn't hide and I still have no idea of the IDFs deployment. Does hizballa goes around in such a time in Lebanon with big yellow flags??
There are (were)civilians in Daheya but it is well known hizballah leaders reside there. Since hizballah is a militant organization (let's leave the freedom-fighter/terroist discussion for a second) Dehya becomes a valid millitary target by international law which you are so keen to embrace inside Leabanon and throw down the toilet inside Israel.
Can it be that your "glorius defenders" have not only provoked the conflict but also use civilians as human shields? i have shown on previous post numerous examples for that. you can call me a liar or use your head. Very convinient to just accuse us and walla no more need to think of your mistakes.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:45:00 AM, Blogger Sir Sefirot said...

""Beautiful weapons", "Beautiful boom" ?

You get some kind of thrill out of war?

It seems your enjoying this."

Indeed.

BTW, shmulik, I understand what you mean, but I'm afraid that ignorance freaks me out as well. Plus, I love black humor.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:51:00 AM, Blogger truthseeker said...

Opinion/Editorial
What Does Israel Want?
Ilan Pappe, The Electronic Intifada, 14 July 2006

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Imagine a group of high ranking generals who simulated for years Third World War scenarios in which they can move huge armies around, employ the most sophisticated weapons in their disposal and enjoy the immunity of a computerized headquarters from which they can direct their war games. Now imagine that they are informed that in fact there is no Third World War and their expertise is needed to calm down some of the nearby slums or deal with soaring crime in deprived townships and impoverished neighborhoods. And then imagine - in the final episode in my chimerical crisis - what happens when they find out how irrelevant have their plans been and how useless are their weapons in the struggle against the street violence produced by social inequality, poverty and years of discrimination in their society. They can either admit failure or decide none the less to use the massive and destructive arsenal at their disposal. We are witnessing today the havoc wreaked by Israeli generals who opted for latter course of action.

I have been teaching in the Israeli universities for 25 years. Several of my students were high ranking officers in the army. I could see their growing frustration since the outbreak of the first Intifada in 1987. They detested this kind of confrontation, called euphemistically by the gurus of the American discipline of International Relations: ‘low intensity conflict’. It was too low to their taste. They were faced with stones, molotov bottles and primitive arms which required a very limited use of the huge arsenal the army has amassed throughout the years and did not test at all their ability to perform in a battlefield or a war zone. Even when the army used tanks and F-16s, it was a far cry from the war games the officers played in the Israeli Matkal – headquarters – and for which they bought, with American tax payer money – the most sophisticated and updated weaponry existing in the market.

The first Intifada was crushed, but the Palestinians continued to seek ways of ending the occupation. They rose again in 2000, inspired this time by a more religious group of national leaders and activists. But it was still a ‘low intensity conflict’; no more than that. But this is not what the army expected, it was yearning for a ‘real’ war. As Raviv Druker and Offer Shelah, two Israeli journalists with close ties to the IDF, show in a recent book, Boomerang (p. 50), major military exercises before the second Intifada were based on a scenario that envisaged a full-scale war. It was predicted that in the case of another Palestinian uprising, there would be three days of ‘riots’ in the occupied territories that would turn into a head-on confrontation with neighboring Arab states, especially Syria. Such a confrontation, it was argued, was needed to maintain Israel’s power of deterrence and reinforce the generals confidence in their army’s ability to conduct a conventional war.

The frustration was unbearable as the three days in the exercise turned into six years. And yet, the Israeli army’s main vision for the battlefield is today still that of ‘shock and awe’ rather than chasing snipers, suicide bombers and political activists. The ‘low intensity’ war questions the invincibility of the army and erodes its capability to engage in a ‘real’ war. More important than anything else, it does not allow Israel to impose unilaterally its vision over the land of Palestine – a de-Arabized land mostly in Jewish hands. Most of the Arab regimes have been complacent and weak enough to allow the Israelis to pursue their policies, apart from Syria and Hizballah in Lebanon. They have to be neutralized if Israeli unileteralism is to succeed.

After the outbreak of the second Intifada in October 2000, some of the frustration was allowed to evaporate with the use of 1,000 kilo bombs on a Gaza house or during operation Defense Shield in 2002 when the army bulldozered the refugee camp in Jenin. But this too was a far cry from what the strongest army in the Middle East could do. And despite the demonization of the mode of resistance chosen by the Palestinians in the second Intifada – the suicide bomb – you needed only two or three F-16 and a small number of tanks to punish collectively the Palestinians by totally destroying their human, economic and social infrastructure.

I know these generals as well as one could know them. In the last week, they have had a field day. No more random use of one-kilo bombs, battleships, choppers and heavy artillery. The weak and insignificant new minister of defense, Amir Perez, accepted without hesitation the army demand for crushing the Gaza strip and grinding Lebanon to dust. But it may not be enough. It can still deteriorate into a full scale war with the hapless army of Syria and my ex-students may even push by provocative actions towards such an eventuality. And, if you believe what you read in the local press here, it may even escalate into a long distance war with Iran, backed by a supreme American umbrella.

Even the most partial reports in the Israeli press of what was proposed by the army to Ehud Olmert’s government as possible operations in the coming days, indicate clearly what enthuses the Israeli generals these days. Nothing less that a total destruction of Lebanon, Syria and Tehran.

The politicians at the top are more tamed, to a point. They have only partially satisfied the army’s hunger for a ‘high intensity conflict’. But their politics of the day are already donned by military propaganda and rational. This why Zipi Livni, Israeli foreign minister, an otherwise intelligent person, could say genuinely on Israeli TV tonight (13 July 2006) that the best way to retrieve the two captured soldiers ‘is to destroy totally the international airport of Beirut’. Abductors or armies that have two POWs of course immediately go and buy commercial tickets on the next flight from an international airport for the captors and the two soldiers. ‘But they can sneak them with a car’, insisted the interviewers. ‘Oh indeed’ said the Israeli Foreign Minister, ‘This is why we will also destroy all the roads in Lebanon leading outside the country’. This is good news for the army, to destroy airports, set fire to petrol tanks, blow up bridges, damage roads and inflict collateral damage on a civilian population. At least the airforce can show its ‘real’ might and compensate for the frustrating years of the ‘low intensity conflict’ that had sent Israel’s best and fiercest to run after boys and girls in the alleys of Nablus or Hebron. In Gaza the airforce has already dropped five such bombs, where in the last six years it dropped only one.

This may be not enough, though, for the army generals. They already say clearly on TV that ‘we here in Israel should not forget Damascus and Teheran’. Past experiences tell us what they mean by this appeal against our collective amnesia.

The captive soldiers in Gaza and Lebanon have already been deleted from the public agenda here. This is about destroying the Hizballah and Hamas once and for all, not about bringing home the soldiers. In a similar way in the summer of 1982, the Israeli public have totally forgotten the victim that provided the government of Menachem Begin with the excuse of invading Lebanon. He was Shlomo Aragov, Israel’s ambassador to London on whose life an attempt was made by a splinter Palestinian group. The attack on him served Ariel Sharon with the pretext of invading Lebanon and staying there for 18 years.

Alternative routes for the conflict are not even raised in Israel, not even by the Zionist left. No one mentions commonsensical ideas such as an exchange of prisoners or a commencement of a dialogue with the Hamas and other Palestinian groups at least over a long ceasefire to prepare the ground for more meaningful political negotiations in the future. This alternative way forward is already backed by all the Arab countries, but alas only by them. In Washington, Donald Ramsfeld may have lost some of his deputies in the Defense Department, but he is still the Secretary. For him, the total destruction of the Hamas and Hizballah – whatever the price and if it is without loss of American life – will ‘vindicate’ the raison d’être for the Third World Theory he propagated early on in 2001. The current crisis for him is a righteous battle against a small axis of evil – away from the quagmire of Iraq and a precursor for the so far unattained goals in the ‘war against terror’ – Syria and Iran. If indeed to a certain extent the Empire was serving the proxy in Iraq, the full fledged support President Bush gave to the recent Israeli aggression in Gaza and Lebanon, shows that may be pay off time has come: now the proxy should salvage the entangled Empire.

Hizballah wants back the piece of southern Lebanon Israel still retains. It also wishes to play a major role in Lebanese politics and shows ideological solidarity with both Iran and the Palestinian struggle in general, and the Islamist one, in particular. The three goals do not always complement each other and resulted in a very limited war effort against Israel in the last six years. The total resurrection of tourism on the Israeli side of the border with Lebanon testifies that, unlike the Israeli generals, for its own reasons the Hizballah is very happy with a very low intensity conflict. If and when a comprehensive solution for the Palestine question will be achieved even that impulse would die out. Crossing 100 yards into Israel proper is such an action. Retaliating to such a low key operation with a total war and destruction indicates clearly that what matters is the grand design not the pretext.

There is nothing new in this. In 1948, the Palestinians opted for a very low intensity conflict when the UN imposed on them a deal which wrested from their hand half of their homeland and gave it to a community of newcomers and settlers, most of whom arrived after 1945. The Zionist leaders waited for long time for that opportunity and launched an ethnic cleansing operation that expelled half of the land’s native population, destroyed half of its villages and dragged the Arab world into unnecessary conflict with the West, whose powers were already on the way out with the demise of colonialism. The two designs are interconnected: the wider Israel’s military might expands, the easier it is to complete the unfinished business of the 1948: the total de-Arabization of Palestine.

It is not too late to stop the Israeli designs from creating a new and terrible reality on the ground. But the window of opportunity is very narrow and the world needs to take action before it is too late.

We're Being Set Up for Wider War in the Middle East:


http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=56022

Israel's attack on Lebanon resulted in 9/11:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=55993

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:55:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Sir serfalot you can off course do what you will but i think our goal is to show that we are humans and that our operation is not a senseless slaughter as they think (and it's hard to blame them for this admittdly mistaken thought). If you want some humor than I can say that we all know our dick is larger but thee is no point in rubbing it in their faces.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:05:00 AM, Blogger Sir Sefirot said...

xD True words, bro. Guess I'll put the brake then. Thanks for the advice.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:25:00 PM, Blogger Eve said...

I love how the israelis can't get enough of our site! we know we're awesome, we know we're great, we know we're those amazing neighbors with the more beautiful country, but face it intruders, you just aren't our type!

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:03:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

EVE
If you won't hear us because we are the "enemy" it's OK, but is Lebanon in any position to disregard us? If we won't hear each other out who will suffer more, you or us? don't listen to me because you love Israel, do it to save Lebanon. It's the easyest thing to get inside our shells and only listen to our pain (believe me or not but we have lost many men too and we grieve for them).
Don't you at least want to know why?
i have spoken to many Lebanse in this blogs and others, indeed we have even started a joint forum (that is down for the moment?) and I can assure you that what you think is the "absolute" truth is not so.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:23:00 PM, Blogger Sir Sefirot said...

eve, you may like to know that I'm Spanish :p

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02:00 PM, Blogger Eve said...

sefirot,
sadly, I'm not here to discuss the place where the world was blessed with your birth. till now, we've allowing you to blahblah on this forum, but start with insulting &name calling (starting from stupids and further), and we'll tell you bye bye.

shmulik,
listen to whom? each one of you doesn't have an identity. you are hiding behind anonymous names with no blog. start by having the courage of not hiding behind your fingers. start by acknowledging your crimes, start by admitting that one and one equals two, and maybe then, i'll consider listening to you.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:01:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

EVE
my name is shmulik Epshteyn. I was born in Israel and I live in Rishon Lezion a coastal city just south of Tel-aviv. I am 25 years old, I am single and in 2 weeks I will start my work as a doctor in a hospital in Afula (a city recently bombarded by the Hizballah BTW) I don't have a blog because I suck with computers and I am too lazy (off course I could be an evil psy-op operative trying to sow discord in our enemies, you could be Nasarallah as far as I know :) )

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:11:00 PM, Blogger Sir Sefirot said...

Shh, don't tell that, this is the secret to rule the whole world... ¬¬

eve, you seem like quite susceptible, which I understand. I guess it's not this way here but from where I come "stupid" is not only an insult but means less punitive things. Guess it got lost in the translation. If you don't agree with my opinions/data, you're invited to come to my blog (which you can access through my profile) and comment as long as you want. BTW, my name is Oriol Gargallo and I live in Barcelona, Spain, 21 yo, I study Physics and Computers and I'm currently working as a science teacher. So no anonimous here. Your turn.

BTW, in this last message I could interpret you are menacing me, from which I have to declare a bloodhunt under the name of the Vast Zionist Conspiracy. Just kidding, as you will see I don't care much what people say. You should learn something about this.

I'm still waiting that someone rebates my statements in previous messages. What are you waiting for!

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:02:00 PM, Blogger Eve said...

shumulik,
well, for someone who suck at computers, you sure are spending mcuh time on it. but don't worry, in a week, you'll still have plenty of time to spend here. not much work for you in your hospitals anyway.

sefirot,
did that. your blog is empty as your anonymous friend up there. if you think that by revealing your age and your fiancial & personal status, you would've answered my question, then think again. but maybe if you added a picture, then someone will consider this marriage proposal of yours. If you think that someone is still wasting their time reading your endless ranting/negativism up there, then, honey, we can dream, can't we? check previous comments, multiple persons have already given answers to your sole repetitive argument. Now if you think Im threatening to delete, then hurray you got it right this time. keeping your comments in the line of civil interchange & respect (check words in dictionary) is your way to garantee seeing the word sefirot on this blog again. now, excuse me, I have more important things to do than entertainging a computer savvy and another not so savvy (like a destroyed country as an example)...
oh yes, one more thing, (where's my manners) i come in peace.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:38:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Eve
I said that I will star in 2 weeks, now i don't anything to do so I am in your blogs. (tell nassarallah to bomb Rishon-Lezion if you want me gone). Your logic amazes me. am I supposed to apologize because the Hisballah's killing machine is worse? Do you say the Nazis are "good' because more germans were killed in WW2 than westren allies? I tried to show in oher posts that we do pull our punches and believe it or not moral considerations do intrest us. The hizballah cares nothing about civilians, both atacking them and firing from villages and storing ammo there. let me give you an example: you are very upset that we attack bridges and roads, no? This bridges and roads are used by the Hizbalah to move rockets to the south from the north (Baal-beck for example). What would you do in our place? I have a feeling that many things that we see from here you can't se from there (and vise versa). I really want to know your opinion about the reasons for this war, and what should be done.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:42:00 PM, Blogger Sir Sefirot said...

It is empty?? You didn't look at it with the right program I guess. I'll bet you're using Explorer, right? Try with Mozilla Firefox or something of that sort, it works perfectly with those. Why, I don't know.

Unfortunately I haven't got any picture of me in the computer, but if you insist we can arrange that. I'm not that handsome either so I don't think you're losing anything. And yes, a lot of people has answered my comments (like you), but I'm waiting someone to rebate them. This still hasn't happened, in my opinion. (note: there's a subtle difference between "answering" and "rebating")

Am I forgetting something? Oh, yes, unlike some people around here, I DO stop to read your (textually copying here) "endless ranting/negativism up there". Call me a dreamer. Or tolerant, what suits best. If not, I would not be here, would I? I guess you'll prefer for me to be really intolerant, don't you :p

Well, have fun rebuilding the country. Oh, and let me doubt you come in peace, but I can live with that. 200 people in Madrid can't.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:52:00 PM, Blogger Eve said...

:)) guys, guys, you want to have the last word? fine, yalla, next comment.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:49:00 AM, Blogger mikizzz said...

everything you are bringing up here has been written in other places...it sounds like hizballah is running through villages and firing...the sensitive equipment that the israeli's is probably picking up on it and they are setting up counter attacks...this is a massacre all the way around...flinging insults will not solve this...there needs to be a stop fire and the weapons the hizballah has should be turned over to the elected government...the citizens of lebanon should demand it of their fighters, there may have been a purpose for them when you had no government, but now it is time for the people to demand it of their fighters...write to everyone you know to email the international governments...this massacre needs to stop

 

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