Response to Marsden’s comment to my post

Marsden replied to my previous post as follow:

"Their entry in 1976 was to rescue the right-wing Maronite sectarian forces, and their withdrawal today will empower the right-wing Maronite sectarian forces." - As'ad Abu Khalil
12:35 PM
So the least you can do is thank them for keeping your kind in power.
12:35 PM

First I am sad that some people still think in these terms and still have a war mentality.

Second this is my response to Marsden:

My kind?? What do you mean Marsden? Are you implying that everyone who is feeling happy with the Syrian withdrawal is a right wing Maronite??

Do you mean that because I am happy that we no longer are under the mercy of the Syrian intelligence agents, I am a right wing Maronite!

It is clear that you are not living in Lebanon, that you have not felt the humiliation of living under the rule of the Baathist regime and its goons.

So again I am happy, and I congratulate every Lebanese for the withdrawal of all foreign troops from Lebanon. And I do not thank the Syrians for anything!!

As a side note, although I am loathe to say it, I am a Muslim Sunni from Saida and I am proud of being first and foremost a Lebanese who want to live and enjoy Peace, Prosperity and Freedom in Lebanon.

So Marsden you are wrong on all account and believe me I feel much closer to any right wing Maronite who shared with me the same humiliation and hardship under the Syrian rule, than to you!


At Wednesday, April 27, 2005 7:13:00 PM, Blogger Tempest said...

Bravo Bob.

It's these heartfelt outbursts of patriotism that keep us all hopefuly for our country.

So many things happened over the past three decades, we've been through hard patches, and hopefully, after standing up altogether, and uniting as Lebanese, we're finally leaving the forest, and walking in the sunny fields of hope...

Marsden HAS to put a bad twist on it.
Marsden has issues. Nevermind him.

At Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:06:00 PM, Blogger End racism said...

Your kind is not necessarily in reference to religion/sect. It was a reference to your traitor and pro-fascist self.

Also, I don't care about religion or religious beliefs. I'm an atheist and couldn't care MORE about these things. When I use such terminology it is only for people like you, who still talk in terms of "Sunnis and Christians and Druze".

As for your closeness to the right wing Maronites, well, good for you, but I can assure you that they would not think twice about killing you (if it comes to that) or deporting you from their areas in case their ideas of "federalism" are put into pracise...

At Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:08:00 PM, Blogger End racism said...

Those bloodthirsty fascist right-wing Maronites (and they are the majority, exceptions of course very much respected) are still not satisfied after 15 years of a blood war that ruined the country. They want more. They are already out there with their "Lebanese Forces" (not a militia, of course, no, not with that name!) and dressed up in militia uniforms.

We'll see how close you feel to them when they continue with their killingfest, but this time of Lebanese (in fact, one such attack against Syrian labourers who are supposedly Ba'athists injured Lebanese too).

At Wednesday, April 27, 2005 11:14:00 PM, Blogger BOB said...

Well as a matter of fact I am an atheist too. And this closeness I feel, I feel it to all Lebanese, who lived under the Syrian yoke.

But I will tell you something.


No matter what happens, never again shall one Lebanese draw a weapon against another. NEVER AGAIN !

For me civil war, drawing a weapon against another Lebanese, hating, and killing are no longer an option. And if as you say – which I truly know, in my heart, will never happen – some other Lebanese choose that option then I shall face him with a smile and a memory. The memory of our newly found unity…


At Thursday, April 28, 2005 12:07:00 AM, Blogger Ramzi said...

Marsden, you make it really hard to agree with you on anything.

You know, if you keep saying the world will end tomorrow you're goign to be correct someday.


At Thursday, April 28, 2005 1:27:00 AM, Blogger End racism said...

"No matter what happens, never again shall one Lebanese draw a weapon against another. NEVER AGAIN !"

OK, then, but they will hurl grenades at one another? Well, that's a change. I commend the Lebanese for that. ;)

At Thursday, April 28, 2005 2:10:00 AM, Blogger Charles Malik said...

Wow, Marsden, that's a lot of hate.
Just because you are an atheist doesn't mean that people thinking in terms of religion are ignorant. How can one think about any country without thinking of the people's religions? It plays a factor regardless of whether you believe in it.
Also, if you don't make any ethnic arguments, why is it so easy to figure out you're Armenian? Why do you so strongly defend the Armenian cause?
A little empathy might help with the Maronites who do feel abused. Without it you're aggravating for another war.

At Thursday, April 28, 2005 9:20:00 AM, Blogger End racism said...

"if you don't make any ethnic arguments, why is it so easy to figure out you're Armenian?"

Genius, my profile says so. Moreover, I do not blindly support Armenians. In fact, I have come out strongly against them in a lot of cases, and most of my posts on Armenian issues are critical of Armenians rather than supportive. The only supportive thing I have said is with regards to the Armenian Genocide, and that's a historical fact that has little to do with what ethnicity one belongs to.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no "Armenian cause".

At Thursday, April 28, 2005 1:04:00 PM, Blogger Ramzi said...

Marsden, quick question: What DO you support/approve of?

At Thursday, April 28, 2005 5:35:00 PM, Blogger hummbumm said...

I support utopian socialism, where capitalism is abolished, and people are all equal and nice to each other, and with no ethnic or religious devides. We are all humans in this planet and we are all the same, and if anyone does not agree with me, I will kill those bastards! Oops, I mean talk to them, re-educate them, show them the errors of their ways, those capitalist, bourgeois, religious pigs, they deserve to die!! I am sorry, I keep slipping up here, where was I, ah yes I support a world community of love where we all share together and peace man, and if you disagree, well screw you you right wing imperialist zionist fascist, I will have to terminate you.
On behalf of Marsden, the Angry Arab, and all other peace loving people. Remember the credo, you are either with me or you're a fascist!

At Thursday, April 28, 2005 7:36:00 PM, Blogger Brian H said...

Marsden did you a favour by posting that vile and hateful busshit. You got an opportunity to really set the record straight. He seems to have lots of scapegoats he wants to stake out and sacrifice, and is obviously very confused by the mismatch of his stereotypes and your background and attitude.

First the Syrians, next Hezbollah. It needs to be discredited, disarmed, and dispersed. It's a huge stone in the throat of Lebanon right now, and will choke the country if allowed to do so.

At Sunday, May 01, 2005 10:08:00 PM, Blogger End racism said...

"Marsden, quick question: What DO you support/approve of?"

The point is not what I support, but what I don't support. I don't support fascists like the "opposition", opportunists like the "opposition", and racists like the "opposition". But that doesn't mean I support Syria. Remember the credo, you are either with me or you're a... loyalist!

At Monday, May 02, 2005 12:08:00 AM, Blogger Ramzi said...

"The point is not what I support, but what I don't support"

It IS what you support Marsden.
If each person knows what he supports and why, then you can have dialogue and compromises. If you're just against against against and label people beforehand then it's impossible to discuss anything with you (as you surely must have noticed).

Being negative is easy, being positive and constructive is hard. Step out of the accusation corner and try that for a change...

At Monday, May 02, 2005 3:57:00 AM, Blogger End racism said...

" If you're just against against against and label people beforehand then it's impossible to discuss anything with you"

Well, that might be true, but it is only because people want to put people in neat little boxes and label those boxes. What does it matter what I support? What does it matter if I am male or female in this society? Why do you need to know whom or what I support, when that is not relevant with the discussion, which was about my criticism of the so-called "opposition"? All you need to know in this case is that I don't support the "opposition".

At Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:39:00 AM, Blogger Charles Malik said...

Given your rather nasty retorts and mean-spirited reply to what I wrote (however, I will take your citing my genius as a compliment), it seems that you follow more of the fascist credo than those you label. You may not believe me, but your words are commiting mass acts of violence to your respondents and readership. And given your comments on the Armenian genocide, I take it you believe that emotional trauma matters just as much as physical.
Your comments are more painful than constructive.
Your brusque behavior and textual screaming and bleating undermine anything positive you might have to say creating a visceral dislike (perhaps even hatred as evidenced in some of the other comments) in your opponents. And their/our behavior is not irrational.
What you support really does matter since you are soooo incredibly willing to slam what everyone else supports.
The arguments have gone from being substantive to petty: commenting on styles commenting. It seems that for any kind of reconciliation to occur, your voice will have to be diminished until what you say is constructive. Until then, your genius must be restrained.

At Tuesday, May 03, 2005 1:53:00 AM, Blogger End racism said...

"You may not believe me, but your words are commiting mass acts of violence to your respondents and readership."

What on earth are you talking about? What is the matter, can you not take criticism, difference of opinions? Not everyone will agree with you; some (like me) will disagree with you fiercely. This is political discussion and political discussion is harsh and cruel. If you're going to yell foul play every step of the way, then I suggest that you rethink your involvement in politics or political analysis even.

At Tuesday, May 03, 2005 6:29:00 PM, Blogger Ramzi said...

16 comments (and counting) on a post entirely dedicated to you Marsden... and still we cannot get past the rhetoric to have a substantial conversation!

I suggest we declare this intervention has failed and just get used to constantly missing your point.

At Tuesday, May 03, 2005 6:46:00 PM, Blogger End racism said...

Rhetoric? I'm afraid that's the "opposition's" specialisation, not mine.

At Tuesday, May 03, 2005 7:17:00 PM, Blogger hummbumm said...

Hear ye, Hear ye, I am Marsden, you should be glad that I bother engaging with you fascists at all. I do have ideas, I am for something, but it is secret, and if I told you, you right wing imperialist fascists would not understand it anyways because you are trapped in tribal identities but at the same time selling your soul to the zionist regime for a few paltry dollars to spend in the nihilistic capitalist system to oppress the proletariat. In my world, all will be well, after I liquidate all of you. After all, Hizbullah for ever! Of course between you and me, I don't live in Lebanon anymore, and while I enjoy the guilty pleasures of the decadent west, I must strive to destroy the society that harbours me, and condemn my fellow countrymen, oops I mean endow my countrymen with a totalitarian ideology that brooks no compromise and no dialogue. Death to Israel, Death to America, Death to the opposition, Death to a pluralistic lebanese society. Viva la revolution!

At Wednesday, May 04, 2005 1:10:00 AM, Blogger Charles Malik said...

If you don't care that you are harming rather innocent people with your nastiness you are just as bad as the Israelis.
I did not disagree with you in my original comment, so your reply that I should learn to live with people who disagree with me makes no sense. I asked for a little empathy and you have refused.
You have refused to respect me on this blog and you have refused to respect others.
I get the feeling that you really enjoy abusing people who are actually experiencing Israeli flyovers on a routine basis (like myself) because you are not helping me out. I also get the feeling that you would wipe out all of our comments if you got the chance since you do not want to hear what we have to say. You merely want to abuse us.
I will have a hard time ever taking anything you say seriously ever again if you don't change your style. Given that most other websites (including my own) have a certain level of decorum, it seems that my behavior pattern is not the aberrant one.
If you want to see a real Maronite comment, check out the comments section on my post Open Letter to Walid Jumblatt. I don't know why you are fighting us.

At Thursday, May 05, 2005 6:22:00 AM, Blogger End racism said...

"Of course between you and me, I don't live in Lebanon anymore, and while I enjoy the guilty pleasures of the decadent west"

20 more days to go. ;)

"I also get the feeling that you would wipe out all of our comments if you got the chance since you do not want to hear what we have to say."

Not at all. I have even had zionists commenting on my blog, not to mention deniers of the Armenian Genocide, and I have not censored them at all.

At Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:33:00 PM, Blogger hummbumm said...

Dan Marsden, I just noticed on your blog. I have to say you write much better, much more heartfelt there than the crap your comments are. Where is the self doubt, the reflection etc.. that comes through in your writing on your blog, why not share that with all of us, why this aggressive certitude. Other things I found interesting, is your youth, you were 7 when the war ended and yet its effects are pronounced. I am glad i was older, I think it made it a little easier, I don't know. And last you mention your rare interaction with lebanese muslims. I find this striking given your ardent support of Hizbullah. In any case, not to analyze you, but i am struck at how thoughtful and introspective your prose is on your page and the jarring dichotomy with your blunt, know it all, holier than thou, we are all fascists comments. Maybe you do have something to learn from others experience of the war, people who were older, who interacted with both muslim and christians in lebanon etc.. and you certainly have something to impart if your style is more open. why the personality split? just curious.

At Thursday, May 05, 2005 7:56:00 PM, Blogger End racism said...

I might have interacted with few Lebanese Muslims in Lebanon, but I consider them my brothers and sisters regardless.

As for my comments here, it has become clear that the majority who post here are LF supporters. And there is nothing I hate in the world more than LF and Samir Geagea, and rightly so. Which is one reason (among a dozen or so) I am against the "opposition".

At Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:29:00 PM, Blogger hummbumm said...

Marsden, you have made it crystal clear what you are against: LF, Jumblatt, all the opposition, etc... and yet the only question, people have asked you, is what are you for? and what pragmatically would you propose? You accuse people here as LF supporters, but your comments are similar on other lebanese blogs who are certainly not LF supporters, the common thread being your antogonism for the sake of antagonism. you are really like a shock jock, the O'Reilly of the blogosphere: rigid, blinkered, partisan, drowning any discussion, filled with self-righteousness. What is sad is basically, all of us have tried to engage you, when the reality is you are just some punk kid.

At Friday, May 06, 2005 3:05:00 AM, Blogger End racism said...

I would've thought that by elimination you would've deduced what I am FOR, but apparently not.

I am for an entirely secular Lebanon; I am for exiling or imprisoning all warlords; I am for REAL democracy not based on interference from religious figures or arguments such as "it will upset the delicate sectarian balance" (i.e. Maronites having 50% of the seats when they're not more than 30% of the population). I am for a committee on foreign workers' affairs that will focus on the safety for labourers, especially Sri Lankan maids, who are routinely abused by their 'employers'. I am for giving Palestinians full working/employment rights, full ownership rights, health care, and so on, and collecting all weapons that are not registered under the gun registry lists. I am for the deployment of UN forces in and around refugee camps for the protection of Palestinian refugees from any fanatic nutcases who would be looking for a way to ignite another civil war. I am for a complete modernisation of Lebanon's army, air force, and navy, sophisticated weapons purchase from willing providers. I am for better foreign relations with other countries outside the region. I am for supporting the Palestinian cause and people morally/spiritually (and in any other way we can) until all of Palestine is liberated. I am for having the civil war TAUGHT in schools, discussed, and debated - not with weapons, but with words.

Is that enough?

At Friday, May 06, 2005 4:28:00 PM, Blogger Charles Malik said...

What makes you think that me or hummbumm are LF lackies?

At Friday, May 06, 2005 7:09:00 PM, Blogger Ramzi said...

WOW Marsden!
After 24 comments and a lot of coaxing you actually managed to state what you stand for!

And you'll be happy (or disappointed) to learn that we actually agree on some points!

Now, that wasn't too hard, was it?

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