2.8.06

Hizbollah Using civillians




Well i have many questions!!
Why the plane watching this rockets launcher waited until it enters the house before bombing it??????!!!
Where are the rockets they are talking about???
While we can see the big camion entering the garage very easely so that must be well prepared?!! is there civilians inside?!! so what is hizbollah response??!!
Is this Lebanon or Irak or Afganistan or Gazza or another region?! or just a film from the Israeli defense??!! so what is Israel response?!!

25 Comments:

At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 12:34:00 PM, Blogger Elon said...

The film is clearly released by the Israeli army.

The film was taken by a drone - an unmanned plane. As far as I know, these drones do not do the bombing themselves. I suppose it's possible that it took time from identifying the rocket launch by the drone until a bomber was able to bomb it. Another possible answer to your question regarding why wait until the launcher entered the house is that perhaps they suspected the launcher would head to some garage, and perhaps they expect the garage to contain ammunition for reloading the launcher. This is good enough reason to prefer to bomb the garage rather than bomb the launcher outside.

I don't understand your question regarding where the rockets are. You can clearly see the launcher firing them at the beginning of the film.

The claim about hiding behind civilians is illustrated in this exampe by the fact that the house looks like a civilian house in a civilian neighborhood. I guess the IDF wants to say here, that since Hizbullah is using civilian neighborhood as bases, there will inevitiablly be civilian casualties when IDF attacks Hizbullah.

Regarding the whereabouts an the authenticity of the film - I suppose it could easily be forged. So can all films we see. I don't have any more reason to suspect it than I have to suspect films showing Lebanese refugees fleeing a bombing.

May this hellish situation finish ASAP,

-Elon
saneisraeli.blogspot.com

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:35:00 PM, Blogger Loubnani said...

There is no proof that this is a rocket launcher. We have seen many pickups hit by helicopter and jet fighter missiles, and many of these pickups were loaded with civilians.

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 2:40:00 PM, Blogger Gunpowder Monk said...

excellent collection of blogs...so how does one join?

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:17:00 PM, Blogger Mohamed said...

I really do doubt this nonsense IDF propaganda, unless the IDF considers the viewers to be babies in order to cut the film for explanations!!
Needless to mention that one of the achievements of Hizb Allah is their candor statements.
I really do trust Hizb Allah statements and I really do believe in them.

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:35:00 PM, Blogger BeefStu said...

sasmen and loubnani, you need to look closer because it's very clear. At the beginning of the film (9-10 second mark) you can clearly see a large white rectangle mounted on the back of the truck and it's rotated sideways at an angle. That is the missile launcher. If you look at this picture you'll see how it looks from a different angle so it's easy to imagine how it might look from above through an infrared camera.

As far as waiting, it makes complete sense that if you had the time, you would wait until the launcher returned "home" before destroying it. That way, you would:
1. gather more intelligence about the location of your enemy
2. take out extra jihadis who might be at home sleeping or making bombs or whatever

If there were truly "civilians" inside the house and they're giving safe haven to a missile launcher, then they're not really civilians anymore, are they sasmen?

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:49:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

sasmen,
when i saw the video, i remembered collin powel's series of videos on "weapons of mass destruction" in iraq.
Rememeber them??

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:39:00 PM, Blogger Marwa said...

True Hilal.

It's weird how those precision smart bombs supplied by America and the rest of Israel's weapons aren't weapons of mass destruction.

They're weapons.

They've destroyed.

And they've destroyed massively.

But they're not weapons of mass destruction.

:S

Ohhhh! I get it! They're only weapons of mass destruction if they're in Arab countries! Elsewhere (if approved by America) they're not. Silly me!

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:54:00 PM, Blogger Mcat said...

I think Elon who posted above already answered your questions.
I will do it again for the sake of repetition:

"Why the plane watching this rockets launcher waited until it enters the house before bombing it??????!!!"

- Its not a plane, its a drone
all it has is a camera, no weapons

"Where are the rockets they are talking about???"

- A rocket is being launched at the 11'th second of this film. You can see the shockwave jolting the drone. The 'white roof' of this truck is tilted up... its the missile launcher.

"While we can see the big camion entering the garage very easely so that must be well prepared?!! is there civilians inside?!! so what is hizbollah response??!!"

- The Hizbollah probably had more missles and a secure shelter for the missile launcher at the garage of this obvious residential building. Hizbollah response ? hopefully shame for being caught on tape.

"Is this Lebanon or Irak or Afganistan or Gazza or another region?! "

- Its Lebanon. Gaza looks nothing of the sort. Iraqis dont shot rockets, they blow cars. The film was released by Israel.

Koby

http://spheradic.blogspot.com/

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:04:00 PM, Blogger Mcat said...

One more link,
This movie shows rockets being fired from the village of Qana in Lebanon. You can't really mistake the village so it would not possibly be Gaza or Iraq.

http://www.nfc.co.il/uploadvideo/VV-861705958843232.wmv

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 5:20:00 PM, Blogger Loubnani said...

Again I will repeat myself:
1- There is absolutely no proof that this is a rocket launcher
2- There is absolutely no proof that this is taking place in Lebanon
3- There is absolutely no proof that this is taped by the Israeli army !

And again, many civilian pickups were hit by israeli missiles and these pickups were transporting civilians. And not even a single reporter reported that Hizballah fighters were among all the civilians killed in the south. Houses were demolished with their inhabitants inside, trucks and pickups were targeted and no one reported that rocket launchers were in the scene !

In a war, an army can commit mistakes/errors. There are always collateral damage ! but not at this level !! 850 civilians killed. 5000 Houses destroyed. Devastation scenes prove clearly those houses weren't used to hide missiles/munitions ! It is not rocket science for God's sake !

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:01:00 PM, Blogger reminiscor said...

This is probably a rocket launcher. If you look at the initial part of the video, you'll see that the white rectangle (the launching pad) is not aligned with the truck.

The Israelis are right to denounce Hezbollah's use of civilians as human shields. That said, you don't blow up to get a few HA fighters.

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:03:00 PM, Blogger reminiscor said...

"Again I will repeat myself:
1- There is absolutely no proof that this is a rocket launcher
2- There is absolutely no proof that this is taking place in Lebanon
3- There is absolutely no proof that this is taped by the Israeli army !"

Well all there is to do is compare the area of the tragedy to the area in the movie. This will be fairly easy to check by the UN or any inquiry commission. In fact, it is so easy to check that I doubt that the Israeli army is showing the bombing of another location.

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:44:00 PM, Blogger Akiva M said...

reminiscor - it's not worth it. Loubnani believes what he believes, regardless of what his eyes tell him.

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 6:50:00 PM, Blogger imad said...

the way I see it, you believe what you believe, thanks to what your media feeds you.

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:01:00 PM, Blogger Solomon2 said...

Is Hizbollah using civilians, or his Hizbollah using the IAF to kill civilians?

One perceives immediately that if Hizbollah had chosen to fire its rockets from open fields, Lebanese civilians would not be killed in their apartment buildings, anger against Israel greatly diminished, and anger towards Hizbollah greatly increased. Only by large numbers of civilian dead can Hizbollah justify its role of "resistance".

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:08:00 PM, Blogger Loubnani said...

Naaaah ! It is just that we got used to all the israeli lies. When Qana got bombarded in 1996, the IDF pretended that Hizbollah fired missiles from near the UN Camp. The UN investigation team proved that the israeli allegations are pure lies !

And to answer reminiscor:
"This will be fairly easy to check by the UN or any inquiry commission. In fact, it is so easy to check that I doubt that the Israeli army is showing the bombing of another location."

This reminds me of the presentation made by M. Powel about Iraq's WMD in front of the entire WORLD ! He knew he was lying, he knew that it is easy to check that the maps and satellite photos were fake, but even though, he went on with his presentation ! I would believe that the IDF might kill tens of lebanese civilians by mistake, this is completely comprehensive, but when we talk about 850 ! this is beyong rational thinking !

One more thing: why the IDF doesn't show us how they did hit the pickup packed with civilians in Marwaheen ? what about the 5000 houses destroyed ? Israel is expecting us to believe that those 5000 houses were used by Hizbollah, by releasing a video tape of a random truck hiding in a random place in a random village in a random country !

And again, if the IDF destroys a village because hizbollah was launching missiles from that village, I would expect to find in this village burnt and destroyed missile launchers. But it is not the case till now. All what was reported from Southern Lebanon is scenes of carnage and destruction of civilians infrastructures, houses, etc.

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 7:39:00 PM, Blogger Mirvat said...

loubnani, yesterday i heard direct attacks to the UN observers saying that these people lived there for so long and got friendly with the HA people. the guy goes "they would even play cards and eat with the terrorists".. they will discredit everything the UN has to say now. and the lies continue. i don't even want to bother defending anymore.
they're aggressive criminal racist liers and that's that.

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:40:00 PM, Blogger Loubnani said...

Yeah that's it ! so now the UN observers are not honest anymore ! maybe that's why IDF killed four of them. Israel is running out of arguments to justify this war.

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:43:00 PM, Blogger Final Historian said...

Here is the Wiki on Katyushas...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-13

That is quite obviously a rocket launcher, unless some one else cares to explain what those white tubes pointing sideways and slightly up could be.

The fact that the launcher is a military is not a question. What is a question is whether or not Israel was right to wait until it went into the house before attacking it, assuming that Israel deliberately waited.

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:47:00 PM, Blogger Final Historian said...

Here is another video, which actually shows rockets being fired from inside a building.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyHQFyO_fu4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fvitalperspective%2Etypepad%2Ecom%2Fvital%5Fperspective%5Fclarity%2F2006%2F08%2Fvideo%5Fhezbollah%2Ehtml

 
At Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:41:00 PM, Blogger X21 said...

Hi Israeli apologists! You are such a persistent lot. Any idea what the time-stamps on those videos say? They couldn't be from the day in question, else Haaretz would not have reported this:

"It now appears that the military had no information on rockets launched from the site of the building, or the presence of Hezbollah men at the time.

The Israel Defense Forces had said after the deadly air-strike that many rockets had been launched from Qana. However, it changed its version on Monday.

The site was included in an IAF plan to strike at several buildings in proximity to a previous launching site. Similar strikes were carried out in the past. However, there were no rocket launches from Qana on the day of the strike."

http://tinyurl.com/emhny

God, the truth is so inconvenient when you are committing war-crimes.

Toodles!

 
At Thursday, August 03, 2006 1:31:00 AM, Blogger Tetra said...

Antonin, notice that "final historian" wrote "rockets being fired from inside a building" (as a proof that this specific tactic is being used) and not "from inside the building" (that was horribly bombed).
So there is no example of lack of persistency here.

 
At Friday, August 04, 2006 1:18:00 PM, Blogger Exadios said...

One thing that many have overlooked. A lot of the Israeli military is deployed near Israeli villages and houses. This is especially true of some of the howitzers. In addition the Israeli military is located right in the center of Haifa.

Note that the Lebanese do not hypocritically accuse the IDF of hiding behind civilians.

 
At Friday, August 04, 2006 1:22:00 PM, Blogger Exadios said...

The problem of the video is its provenance. The information content is low. A video of this sort could be produced by one person with relatively modest equipment.

As evidence of anything this video has no value at all.

 
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