24.7.06

"Operation Just Reward"

I have started this on my blog, and was asked to put this here as well. Please help me in keeping the numbers up to date - based on news sources and not just rumors - of both Lebanese and Israeli CIVILIAN DEAD/Wounded.

Leave updated numbers in the comment sections. No unrelated comments. Once I get a chance, I will keep updating these numbers.

July 14, 2006, 10 pm:

Lebanese Dead: ~ 73
Lebanese Wounded: > 165 (?)
Israeli Dead: ~ 4
Israeli Wounded: > 120 (?)

July 15, 2006:

Lebanese Dead: > 100
Lebanese Wounded: ? (no accurate info available now)
Israeli Dead: 4 (Jerusalem Post, Reuters)
Israeli Wounded: ~ 300 (Reuters)

July 16, 2006:

Lebanese Dead: > 150 (Reuters. Other news agencies reported more, so I chose the minimum amount. Will correct this with more accurate information.)
Israeli Dead: > 12 (AP)

and 7 Canadians were murdered by IDF in Lebanon.

Also, I've taken off the statistic for the wounded. There is not much reliable information on that.

FYI: Almost as many Lebanese civilians have been killed in less than a week as were killed in Operation Grapes of Wrath (Spring, 1996), which included the ignored Qana Massacre.

July 17, 2006:

Lebanese Dead: > 200 (Reuters, AP, Haaretz)
Israeli Dead: > 12 (Reuters, AP)

July 18, 2006:

Lebanese Dead: > 260 (AP, AFP)
Israeli Dead: > 16 (Haaretz, Jerusalem Post)

July 19 2006:

Lebanese Dead: > 320 (AP, AFP)
Israeli Dead: > 16 (Haaretz, Jerusalem Post)


July 21 2006:

Lebanese Dead: > 350 (AP, AFP)
Israeli Dead: = 15 (there was an error in the statistics previously. BBC, Haaretz, Jpost)

July 24 2006:

Lebanese Dead: > 360 (AP, AFP, reuters)
Israeli Dead: = 17 (BBC, Haaretz, Jpost)

50 Comments:

At Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:53:00 AM, Blogger blogagog said...

Is it possible to separate the number of Hezbollah militants out of the 'Lebanese dead/wounded' categories?

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:55:00 AM, Blogger fickel said...

Just a note:

Any Israeli that's taken to the hospital is considered as "wounded" by the Israeli authorities and reported as one. But note that this includes many "shock victims", who were not wounded physically at all.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:58:00 AM, Blogger KamalMusaf said...

killing MUST be stopped!!

i am no israeli lover but in the last few days i become a hizbullah hater.
Give them their 2 soldier back and leave lebanon alone.

if iran and syria wants to fight against israel why to do it on the back of the lebanse people?!?!?!?!?

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 10:37:00 AM, Blogger Marwa said...

Don't we all wish this was about the 2 soldiers.

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 11:10:00 AM, Blogger Someone from the other side said...

blogagog raised a nice question.
How do you seperate HA from civilians?
I mean, none of them is officially in the army, most of them don't wear any kind of uniform. some don't even wear uniform while fighting.
So I would assume every HA killed, counts as a civilian here...

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 1:16:00 PM, Blogger Israeli said...

Marwa, its about those 2 soldiers and the next soldiers and civilians deaths that will happen if Hizballah will not leave the border and won't be disarmed.
As A SOVERIGHN AND RESPONSIBLE COUNTRY THAT CARES FOR ITS CITIZENS AND TROOPS we need to prevent the next actions, too, you know..

 
At Sunday, July 16, 2006 3:34:00 PM, Blogger Lazarus said...

hezbollah and israeli citizens have been seperated. i don't count hezbollah militants as civilians.

now, keep your comments related to the post. you can rant in other posts.

 
At Monday, July 17, 2006 11:17:00 AM, Blogger Mitrii said...

Lazarus,

Could you please explain how you separate HA from civilians.
It would be interesting to see the HA body count.

 
At Monday, July 17, 2006 3:01:00 PM, Blogger Olly said...

According to BBC News 24 (12pm) and Reuters: [Israel]has also killed 176 people and wounded more than 500, Lebanon's health ministry said. All but 13 of them were civilians. The dead include seven Canadians killed in a strike on a southern village on Sunday.

http://eastofpeace.blog.com

 
At Monday, July 17, 2006 3:08:00 PM, Blogger BeefStu said...

kamalmusaf said: i am no israeli lover
Here's a little secret... The civilized world is no longer surprised at the backwards tribal attitude of so many in the "middle eastern street."

but in the last few days i become a hizbullah hater.
Wow, that only took 24 years! You might have a future as a U.N. bureaucrat. How well can you write sternly-worded letters?

Give them their 2 soldier back and leave lebanon alone.
Finally, someone reminds us of the irresponsible, thuggish action that caused all of this in the first place.

So answer me this: assuming Israel stopped all military action tomorrow, when are the Lebanese finally going to get around to ridding themselves of the Hizballah barbarians in their midst?

 
At Monday, July 17, 2006 4:52:00 PM, Blogger Sir Sefirot said...

175 dead, eh?

If the count terrorist/civil goes like in Iraq, I would assume that 30 of these are civilian and 145 are terrorist.

Way too few. Go IDF!

 
At Monday, July 17, 2006 5:08:00 PM, Blogger Mirco said...

Any muslim, anywhere pointed to this?

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html
Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 52:
Fighting for the Cause of Allah (Jihaad)
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256:

Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama:

The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:05:00 AM, Blogger Marwa said...

145/175 Lebanese killed are terrorists?

Please think before you talk.

I pray for ALL the victims of this war and their families. May they all rest in peace.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:59:00 AM, Blogger RDPS said...

These numbers do not really add up for me.

On SkyNews it was reported yesterday that according to the IDF The Hizzbullah forces have been reduced by 15%.
Now, if 15% = 175

then the 50% goal that the israelis have set as a goal would mean a goal of about 583 casualties...
now, if in order to hit 175 hizzbs, 30 innocent were hit, we are to expect at least 100 civillian casualties.

This does not make sense.
Also, how can there be only 30 civilian casualties?
Bus Massacre 20 (BBC)
Canadians in Build. 9 (BBC)
Workers at the Port 4 (SkyNews)
Children in South 15 (SkyNews)
.....
...

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:24:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

rdps
what was reported in the media in Israel (and I assume skyNews is getting information about IDF assesments from Israeli media) is that 30% of the hisballah military capacity was destroyed. No body knows how many Hizbalah men there are. By the same token nobody really knows how many of the lebanese killed are Hizballah militants. They don't usually wear uniforms and many times they operate inside civilian areas.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:25:00 AM, Blogger Mo said...

i think you're getting things wrong :
- Children in south : future terrorists --> get rid of them
- Workers at the port : help getting food to terrorists --> get rid of them
- Canadians in Building : Nazis --> get rid of them
....

Sorry for seeming cynical but the casualties of my 6 hour sleep (21 killed) are fucking driving me crazy

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:34:00 AM, Blogger RDPS said...

Mo, I understand youe cynicism.
I would react the same way.
But still, I cannot help but wonder how much more there is to expect from this inhumain treatment.

Why not move the conflict back to where it belongs... Syria/Iran. Have it on mutual ground.. have it in the US or Greenland for all I care.

Why not send in troops to the south of beirut and march them south so the south of lebanon can be "cleaned" from both sides? It would be just as insane and violent, but at least the margin of error would be smaller than by bombing targets based on questionable intel.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:39:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

RDPS your idea that Lebanon has no responsebility on a terroist organization that just happens to be there, is a bit odd.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:41:00 AM, Blogger Sir Sefirot said...

I wasn't saying 30 out of 175 were civilian, I was saying they would be if they were in the same proportions than Iraqi casualties ¬¬ Obviously they aren't, but I don't think they are very far from that. Read carefully before answering.

BTW, if 175 victims scare you, you may as well start to cry right now because what is coming will be much worse than that. You know, it's war.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:49:00 AM, Blogger truthseeker said...

Opinion/Editorial
What Does Israel Want?
Ilan Pappe, The Electronic Intifada, 14 July 2006

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Imagine a group of high ranking generals who simulated for years Third World War scenarios in which they can move huge armies around, employ the most sophisticated weapons in their disposal and enjoy the immunity of a computerized headquarters from which they can direct their war games. Now imagine that they are informed that in fact there is no Third World War and their expertise is needed to calm down some of the nearby slums or deal with soaring crime in deprived townships and impoverished neighborhoods. And then imagine - in the final episode in my chimerical crisis - what happens when they find out how irrelevant have their plans been and how useless are their weapons in the struggle against the street violence produced by social inequality, poverty and years of discrimination in their society. They can either admit failure or decide none the less to use the massive and destructive arsenal at their disposal. We are witnessing today the havoc wreaked by Israeli generals who opted for latter course of action.

I have been teaching in the Israeli universities for 25 years. Several of my students were high ranking officers in the army. I could see their growing frustration since the outbreak of the first Intifada in 1987. They detested this kind of confrontation, called euphemistically by the gurus of the American discipline of International Relations: ‘low intensity conflict’. It was too low to their taste. They were faced with stones, molotov bottles and primitive arms which required a very limited use of the huge arsenal the army has amassed throughout the years and did not test at all their ability to perform in a battlefield or a war zone. Even when the army used tanks and F-16s, it was a far cry from the war games the officers played in the Israeli Matkal – headquarters – and for which they bought, with American tax payer money – the most sophisticated and updated weaponry existing in the market.

The first Intifada was crushed, but the Palestinians continued to seek ways of ending the occupation. They rose again in 2000, inspired this time by a more religious group of national leaders and activists. But it was still a ‘low intensity conflict’; no more than that. But this is not what the army expected, it was yearning for a ‘real’ war. As Raviv Druker and Offer Shelah, two Israeli journalists with close ties to the IDF, show in a recent book, Boomerang (p. 50), major military exercises before the second Intifada were based on a scenario that envisaged a full-scale war. It was predicted that in the case of another Palestinian uprising, there would be three days of ‘riots’ in the occupied territories that would turn into a head-on confrontation with neighboring Arab states, especially Syria. Such a confrontation, it was argued, was needed to maintain Israel’s power of deterrence and reinforce the generals confidence in their army’s ability to conduct a conventional war.

The frustration was unbearable as the three days in the exercise turned into six years. And yet, the Israeli army’s main vision for the battlefield is today still that of ‘shock and awe’ rather than chasing snipers, suicide bombers and political activists. The ‘low intensity’ war questions the invincibility of the army and erodes its capability to engage in a ‘real’ war. More important than anything else, it does not allow Israel to impose unilaterally its vision over the land of Palestine – a de-Arabized land mostly in Jewish hands. Most of the Arab regimes have been complacent and weak enough to allow the Israelis to pursue their policies, apart from Syria and Hizballah in Lebanon. They have to be neutralized if Israeli unileteralism is to succeed.

After the outbreak of the second Intifada in October 2000, some of the frustration was allowed to evaporate with the use of 1,000 kilo bombs on a Gaza house or during operation Defense Shield in 2002 when the army bulldozered the refugee camp in Jenin. But this too was a far cry from what the strongest army in the Middle East could do. And despite the demonization of the mode of resistance chosen by the Palestinians in the second Intifada – the suicide bomb – you needed only two or three F-16 and a small number of tanks to punish collectively the Palestinians by totally destroying their human, economic and social infrastructure.

I know these generals as well as one could know them. In the last week, they have had a field day. No more random use of one-kilo bombs, battleships, choppers and heavy artillery. The weak and insignificant new minister of defense, Amir Perez, accepted without hesitation the army demand for crushing the Gaza strip and grinding Lebanon to dust. But it may not be enough. It can still deteriorate into a full scale war with the hapless army of Syria and my ex-students may even push by provocative actions towards such an eventuality. And, if you believe what you read in the local press here, it may even escalate into a long distance war with Iran, backed by a supreme American umbrella.

Even the most partial reports in the Israeli press of what was proposed by the army to Ehud Olmert’s government as possible operations in the coming days, indicate clearly what enthuses the Israeli generals these days. Nothing less that a total destruction of Lebanon, Syria and Tehran.

The politicians at the top are more tamed, to a point. They have only partially satisfied the army’s hunger for a ‘high intensity conflict’. But their politics of the day are already donned by military propaganda and rational. This why Zipi Livni, Israeli foreign minister, an otherwise intelligent person, could say genuinely on Israeli TV tonight (13 July 2006) that the best way to retrieve the two captured soldiers ‘is to destroy totally the international airport of Beirut’. Abductors or armies that have two POWs of course immediately go and buy commercial tickets on the next flight from an international airport for the captors and the two soldiers. ‘But they can sneak them with a car’, insisted the interviewers. ‘Oh indeed’ said the Israeli Foreign Minister, ‘This is why we will also destroy all the roads in Lebanon leading outside the country’. This is good news for the army, to destroy airports, set fire to petrol tanks, blow up bridges, damage roads and inflict collateral damage on a civilian population. At least the airforce can show its ‘real’ might and compensate for the frustrating years of the ‘low intensity conflict’ that had sent Israel’s best and fiercest to run after boys and girls in the alleys of Nablus or Hebron. In Gaza the airforce has already dropped five such bombs, where in the last six years it dropped only one.

This may be not enough, though, for the army generals. They already say clearly on TV that ‘we here in Israel should not forget Damascus and Teheran’. Past experiences tell us what they mean by this appeal against our collective amnesia.

The captive soldiers in Gaza and Lebanon have already been deleted from the public agenda here. This is about destroying the Hizballah and Hamas once and for all, not about bringing home the soldiers. In a similar way in the summer of 1982, the Israeli public have totally forgotten the victim that provided the government of Menachem Begin with the excuse of invading Lebanon. He was Shlomo Aragov, Israel’s ambassador to London on whose life an attempt was made by a splinter Palestinian group. The attack on him served Ariel Sharon with the pretext of invading Lebanon and staying there for 18 years.

Alternative routes for the conflict are not even raised in Israel, not even by the Zionist left. No one mentions commonsensical ideas such as an exchange of prisoners or a commencement of a dialogue with the Hamas and other Palestinian groups at least over a long ceasefire to prepare the ground for more meaningful political negotiations in the future. This alternative way forward is already backed by all the Arab countries, but alas only by them. In Washington, Donald Ramsfeld may have lost some of his deputies in the Defense Department, but he is still the Secretary. For him, the total destruction of the Hamas and Hizballah – whatever the price and if it is without loss of American life – will ‘vindicate’ the raison d’être for the Third World Theory he propagated early on in 2001. The current crisis for him is a righteous battle against a small axis of evil – away from the quagmire of Iraq and a precursor for the so far unattained goals in the ‘war against terror’ – Syria and Iran. If indeed to a certain extent the Empire was serving the proxy in Iraq, the full fledged support President Bush gave to the recent Israeli aggression in Gaza and Lebanon, shows that may be pay off time has come: now the proxy should salvage the entangled Empire.

Hizballah wants back the piece of southern Lebanon Israel still retains. It also wishes to play a major role in Lebanese politics and shows ideological solidarity with both Iran and the Palestinian struggle in general, and the Islamist one, in particular. The three goals do not always complement each other and resulted in a very limited war effort against Israel in the last six years. The total resurrection of tourism on the Israeli side of the border with Lebanon testifies that, unlike the Israeli generals, for its own reasons the Hizballah is very happy with a very low intensity conflict. If and when a comprehensive solution for the Palestine question will be achieved even that impulse would die out. Crossing 100 yards into Israel proper is such an action. Retaliating to such a low key operation with a total war and destruction indicates clearly that what matters is the grand design not the pretext.

There is nothing new in this. In 1948, the Palestinians opted for a very low intensity conflict when the UN imposed on them a deal which wrested from their hand half of their homeland and gave it to a community of newcomers and settlers, most of whom arrived after 1945. The Zionist leaders waited for long time for that opportunity and launched an ethnic cleansing operation that expelled half of the land’s native population, destroyed half of its villages and dragged the Arab world into unnecessary conflict with the West, whose powers were already on the way out with the demise of colonialism. The two designs are interconnected: the wider Israel’s military might expands, the easier it is to complete the unfinished business of the 1948: the total de-Arabization of Palestine.

It is not too late to stop the Israeli designs from creating a new and terrible reality on the ground. But the window of opportunity is very narrow and the world needs to take action before it is too late.

We're Being Set Up for Wider War in the Middle East:


http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=56022

Israel's attack on Lebanon resulted in 9/11:

http://www.warwithoutend.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=55993

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:00:00 AM, Blogger Mo said...

Bombing targets based on questionable intelligence?
you're kidding me right?

you're telling me devastating a whole neighbourhood (Haret Hreik among other) and turning it into rubish is "Bombing targets based on intelligence"?

Asking villagers to flee their village and then bombing the bus they took to flee is "Bombing targets based on intelligence"?

Destroying ports, airports, schools, civil defense buildings... "Bombing targets based on intelligence"?

yeah right

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:52:00 PM, Blogger FearOrIntelligence said...

stop decieving your selves israelis...your government is playing a great role in convincing u thatU R THE VICTIMS..guess what?n am a leftist and i support hizbolla against u in the meaningless war..u'll never crash hizbolla..they are not certain pple or places ...its a culture that boms dont touch it:) hassan nasrallah is just a symbol but he isnt hizbolla:) u will always live in fear of this whole hizbolla-concept..coz simply ure in the wrong place to live..go back tpo poland, france, germany, and other countries and search the history seeking why u were volounteeraly kicked out of europe..

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:22:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

We decieve ourselves? do you really believe you will destroy a nuclear country with what lebanon has? may be we will live in fear, but we wil live and endure. the second we really decide to do it, lebanon can be no more. It is funny that you think that I am a mass murderer yet don't realize you live at my whim.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:36:00 PM, Blogger FearOrIntelligence said...

u think a victory is real when u use anuclear bom?this is what i call being chicken..like americanos, yeah man continue threatening and acting through violence , its all u have a nation which is build on the concept of violence, did u see those little gurls who were signing the rockets in your military station? what do u call that?? humanism? u r not humans, so dont ask for being treated as humans.if u JUST dare to come inside leb...and y do u ignore all those israelis pleading for leaving israel? and all their immigration documents freezed by the israeli government...a chicken will always be a chicken even if he has a nuclear bomb in his hands...and death after all means nothing to us.

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:00:00 PM, Blogger fuckoff_yall said...

I love how everyone abroad is so good at giving advice at what the Lebanese should and shouldn't do...

No regard to the actual situation, the reasons, the psychological influences and the history that have led us to where we are and so on...

I could easily say that for the holocaust, the Jews should have stood up to Hitler, they should have fought instead of dying like cowards and so on... but would that be reasonable? probably not because probably if they could have they would have.

So everyone, shut the fuck up with your advice unless you've lived countless years in the damn country and really know what bombs blowing up on your house is like... unless you really know what your kids and parents dying around you is like!

 
At Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:17:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Fearorintelligence
again you prove your ignorance. ther are many weapons beside WMD that can turn Lebanon into a parking lot (Fuel-Air bombs, cluster bombs and many others). In WW2 for examples the Americans had killed 180,000 in one night in Hamburg, and that with weapons designed more than 60 years ago!! Who will stop us, you? UDS? UN? the mighty syrian army? dream on. maybe you don't understand but the fact that there are 200 dead in lebanon and not 200,000 is because we try (not always succssesfuly) to fight a "brave" enemy that hides inside villages behind women and children while staying moral human beingsand not killing innocents. This is what seperates us from the Hizbollah but I wouldn't expect you to understand. Ironic hat you consider us sub-humans while you live only because we are indeed humans who take moral considerations seriously. It is indeed people like you that I am afraid will push us over the edge and make us the monsters you think we are.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:05:00 AM, Blogger mikizzz said...

i live abroad, canada actually...i'm sure we sound like idiots...i myself am on this website because i cannot stand by and do nothing...have read your history for hours trying to get some perspective...i have sobbed over your dead...from my perspective, i see people dying, and i feel hopeless...i think alot of people are just trying to help....it's easy for me because it is not my family who have been assaulted time and again...i am here to learn what i can, and try to educate whomever will listen to me about your plight...do not think that people don't care...i believe that the average israeli, and average lebanese wants this to end...this has been started by a idiot radicals...is this reason to bomb the shit out of someones home...i feel your pain...i hope someday you can learn to forgive...i don't know if i could, but without forgiveness, this will never end...i believe all prisoners of war should be sent to the UN for trial...children should not be in jail!!!!!

Please write, and email(i wonder if the UN gets all the information corectly),


United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan
Postal address : United Nations Secretariat
New York, NY 10017
Fax : (212) 963 - 7055
Website www.un.org/News/ossg/sg/index.shtml
Email inquiries@un.org

May GOD/ALLAH BLESS YOU ALL, KEEP SAFE

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:28:00 AM, Blogger FearOrIntelligence said...

fuck_off_yal: ive been abroad for only 4 months:) ive lived all my life inside leb, so let go your comments please, and as soon as they open the airport ill be the 1st on the plane back...and im dumping my university coz theres a rifle waiting for me :)and guess what?? by israel actions it triggered a RE-ACTION i am not an athiest and a left and not a muslim but ill be glad to fight side to side with hizbolla at anytime.and im sure hundred or thousands think like me.

and trial for kuntar??? he spend ( i dont know for excat 25 years??) in jail!! and u still want a trial for him? just shut the fuck up

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:29:00 AM, Blogger FearOrIntelligence said...

just for correction: i AM an atheist and a left

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:26:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Fearorintelligence
Samir Kuntar WAS tried 28 years ago.
He has murdered a family including bashing the head of a little girl.
Do you think life in prison is too severe?
How would you do?

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:19:00 PM, Blogger Death To Ala said...

d to ala: you are so full of shit...by the way your name means " death to GOD" so i guess you are devil worshipper or the lowest scum on earth...you are no jew...you piece of shit...and if you think you can win this war against arabs...just look at the map and see who is fuckin cornered and surrounded from all sides...israel will be in a blood bath if hell breaks loose...just remeber you are only 5 million...we don't want to kill jews... asshole.

I'm sorry for the good jews that had to read this...we are against war and for peace....but this guy "d to alla" is so stupid...

Death to your god, death to your people, who cares. devil worshipper, sure whatever floats your boat. Surrounded? Uh, yeah we've been surrounded for years, and now we are slaughtering everyone around us, you surrounding us only makes it easier for us to murder you. 5 mllion? We have over 250 nuclear bombs that would cover every square inch of occupied land in the world. Your 16 year old suicide bombers won't be around once those nukes hit, if you are talking about final solution, arabs will always lose. We have superior power, simply put.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:23:00 PM, Blogger elFool said...

do you have nothing better to do?
You need to learn to respect others and things outside you little circle

now leave as alone

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:23:00 PM, Blogger Death To Ala said...

I love how all these fanatics talk big because they have some katusha rockets that can take out a house. But what happens when the a nuke drops over Tiran? Yeah that's right, when the word nuke comes the arab world flinches. As someone said earlier on, the majority of your arab world is poor and contributes nothing to society, sciences, industry, and civilization. Then you are comparing it to the 4th strongest army? It's like you telling me that Iranian army that is bigger will win, because of what? Their size? Their 14 year old kids who are taken off the street and handed an ak-47? Be realistic for a minute, Israel could roll, and probably would if the entire world didn't cry, over every arab occupied land in the middle east. It would take a handful of nukes to ensure that no arab ever even dared to speak out against Israel in public. So please, spare us your shit, no one cares about Israeli civilians who are killed, sure we morn them, but if you think killing a few people, blowing up a few houses, suicide bombing us here and there hurts, you don't understand what a nuke that will clear 1,000,000 in a tightly compacted arab city will do. Wait and see my friend, wait and see what military technology is capable of.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:24:00 PM, Blogger Cyrus said...

Hi,

I am a journalist writing about Lebanese blogs for Wired News (www.wired.com). I would very much like to speak with you about your experiences in Lebanon. Please email me if you’re available.

Thanks,

-Cyrus
cfarivar@cfarivar.org

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:42:00 PM, Blogger Jean said...

Hello,

To all the israelis on this blog, please go visit http://jeansouc.blogspot.com/2006/07/how-lebanese-are-seen-by-israelis.html
and leave your impression.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:48:00 PM, Blogger akram said...

To my compatriot to my friends in Leb to Lebanon.

Regarding the situation we as lebanese have to be honest with ourself, and stop our stupide way of thinking and support to the hell.
I m a young lebanese 27 y.o from the diasporat.I lost my family in the civil war in leb because our stupide confesional war.

But today, we do nt ve to blaim the Goliat, today the fire has been done by us the lebanese, The only responsable for all this situation is Hassan Nassralah the servant of the tyrans teheran and damas. Today we, again are the victim of the war of the other. Today their is some bad and good actors, the bad, (without offuscking anyone) is the Hezb, Israel does his right to defend its integrity. As a Lawyer and officer at UN in NYC, I can tell you that here the international community support the right of isreal to defend it s land, and will not oppost to it because they want to desarm this terrorist group. So we as lebanese ve better to nt expect anythg for the international community.
Since 1y the ennemi of the nation is the Hezb, and all this had been planed since while, you know why, because, beyrouth had been given a certain amount of time by the international community to apply the 1559 resolution, but because our politician especially Aoun, lahoud and Nassrallah talke for nothing,and blocked everything since one year, and because some shite like franghe karame wahab arislan who r the dogs of damas blocked all the work of the Siniora Gov, and created this situation today if we are in the chaos it s at less 85% from our hands.
because nothing is done to disarm the hezb, Israel has the green light to do so, Then today if there is some one to blame, is the author of this foly who is the Hezb, it s the fucking hezb who caused this situation, it s the fucking Hez who is responsable of the death of innocents of the destruction of the country of the futur economic crisis in leb which ll increas the debt and then to earease it will conduct to the naturalisation of the fucking palestininan refugies in leb if you did nt understand it yet this is the plan (this is what ve been planed by the UN , and G8 7 years ago to finish with the refugies situation). Thank you bashar thank you aminedjad thank you nasralah all as dumb as a dunk.
You speak about the oumna arabia, this is propaganda, tell me who r fighting for it expect the palsetinian, which arabic country cares about it, why then the egyptian or the jordan or the syrian do nt fight against israel too, why do the lebaneses ve to pay for the other. WAKE UP GUYS THE ARABS R NT THE ARABS R WEAK.
Fuck the arabs shame on them, and we the LEBANESE VE to grow up no one is gonna to help us especially the arabs, so stop to fight for the other,Now we ve to rebuilt the country (no tourist is gonna to come back before 7 years now,,,,, be sure of it).
Stop the propaganda; israel does nt want to destroy Lebanon it does t give a shit of it. Israel want to finish w/ Hezb.
Our ennemies today r Damas, Teheran, the palestinian refugies in Leb, and the Hezb.
they r the only responsable of the destruction of the beautiful Lebanon. Let be Unify and erase them from Leb, especially Nasralah who took all the country in the unwanted war for his own interest as ideologiste, and as a servant of Damas and teheran.
Fuck him deeply baster.
I m not an israelian lover, but now i wish the bad for the Hezb who destroyed lebanon.
I m pround of being lebanese, I ll always stand for my flag, but today the ennemi is not israel is the hezb and the pro syrian.

Abou Himan

President du Parti politique de la diasporat: FJL
Fraternite de la Jeuness Libanaise
Paris

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006 6:45:00 PM, Blogger kate said...

you all think that we want this war,
so you wrong..
we want peace but hizballa kill our arny and our people,
the war started because of your country, they grab our people!
and we thought that inuff..
you maybe count only the people that died on this war but you know?
all this year.. leave this year..
this two years!!! how many people killed and injured????
so many people that not do anything..
iknow you think to your self
"ohhh such stupid israli girl"
you can think like that, really..
but you like me, we both afraid.
if in our country less of people died it becuse they all the day in shelters,
and because they runing away..
not because our army so bad and killing you every day because they bored..
we can delete your country,
but we not like this,
we are good people that only want to cut this war, get our soldiers back, and live in peace.

thank you for reading [=

and

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:01:00 PM, Blogger Safia speaks said...

On my blog I´ve been playing around with Photoshop to illustrate my opinion of formr PM Shimon peres trying to tell the world "Israel is doing everything to avoid civilian casulties" and especially the note, that "Lebanese accounts of civilian casualties are very unreliable"....

http://safiaaoude.blogspot.com/2006/07/there-is-nothing-going-on.html

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006 7:58:00 PM, Blogger Andrew Brehm said...

There are more Lebanese victims than Israeli victims because Israel is winning.

That is all. That is all it shows.

I assume there were more German victims of American bombs than American victims of German action in WW2. That alone doesn't say anything about the conflict. Germany started it. Germany watched the Nazis become a part of the government (and then take total power) and in doing so was responsible for the war started by the Nazis.

The same is true for Lebanon.

Being German myself, I am not glad that so many died. But I do not blame the attacked for the deaths caused when they fought back!

I know what Hitler wanted to do to the world, and I know what Hizbullah wants to do to Israel.

If I have a choice and must make it, I'd rather see many innocent deaths caused by defensive action than a lot more deaths caused by aggression.

Israel had to make that choice recently.

Who are you to blame them for anything?

Blame Hizbullah. They wanted this war.

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:02:00 PM, Blogger Andrew Brehm said...

"my opinion of formr PM Shimon peres trying to tell the world "Israel is doing everything to avoid civilian casulties""

If Israel wasn't, how many civilian deaths do you think Israel could have caused while WINNING wars?

If you don't want Israel to kill innocent civilians, tell your innocent civilians to a) stop supporting attacks on Israel and b) act against those who support such attacks.

Why you all believe that civilian deaths in Israel are quite acceptable but that the same thing must not happen in Lebanon, I do not know. But that you are now worried about relative numbers rather than how to stop it, THAT really shocks me.

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:14:00 PM, Blogger Bob said...

DTA, you could never use your nukes because you are incapable of running a society or an economy without Others to feed on and exploit. You tried that in the Pale and you ended up living in filth- two thousand years of lieing, cheating, tax-farming, estate management, land-theft and usury are impossible for you to overcome.

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:28:00 PM, Blogger Death To Ala said...

"DTA, you could never use your nukes because you are incapable of running a society or an economy without Others to feed on and exploit. You tried that in the Pale and you ended up living in filth- two thousand years of lieing, cheating, tax-farming, estate management, land-theft and usury are impossible for you to overcome."

Except when we took them out to launch and Russia threatened us, and then the US had our backs in the Cold War. But I am sure you know what you are talking about, good thing you are the one who decides whether or not we use our nukes, moron.

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:46:00 PM, Blogger Lasto-adri *Blue* said...

that so called DTA (asta3'for ALLAh el a3azim) is of no use talking to..

an advise.. save your voices for a better someone, who is aware of what he/she is saying and ready to go into a proper conversation..


Lebenon will stay as beautiful as it was..
I've left my heart with...
blessings and prayers..

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:11:00 PM, Blogger Death To Ala said...

that so called DTA (asta3'for ALLAh el a3azim) is of no use talking to..

an advise.. save your voices for a better someone, who is aware of what he/she is saying and ready to go into a proper conversation..


Lebenon will stay as beautiful as it was..
I've left my heart with...
blessings and prayers..


Really? The 2 million Lebanese who have fled beg to differ.

 
At Friday, July 21, 2006 5:17:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

BOB
While everybody here knows full well that DTA is criminally insane and should be locked in prison (if what he says about himself is true) or an asylum (if otherwise), your
"you are incapable of running a society or an economy without Others to feed on and exploit. You tried that in the Pale and you ended up living in filth- two thousand years of lieing, cheating, tax-farming, estate management, land-theft and usury are impossible for you to overcome" Speech
Is a pure anti-semitic shit I can understand coming from Gobels but not from you. If this is what you really believe than perhaps DTA is less crazy than I have thought.

 
At Friday, July 21, 2006 10:26:00 PM, Blogger Nightstudies said...

The entire Israeli army, with all of its American made weaponry is killing fewer people pre day than the average suicide bomber in Baghdad. I don't think slaugher is their purpose, or they'd be much faster at it.

 
At Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:48:00 PM, Blogger cedek said...

It is so ridicules to see all the HezbAllah people firing rockets and then running to cry to all nations. If you were men you would stand for your actions and for the results. If you want war you get war. But you like little children hiding behind civilians and then crying why they are being hurt.
And you Lebanon's people - stand up for your country. Do not let some groups take control of it. Stand up for the wish to live normal life, peaceful life. Israel had no choice. HezbAllah crossed the border which the UN agreed on and kidnapped 2 soldiers than started to firing rockets on Israel. I wonder what did you expect us to do? Did you expect us to cry for the help of the UN and meanwhile get murdered by the HezbAllah? Or maybe you have the rate when we should respond to the attack – is 70 rockets enough? Or maybe 120? Or maybe 140?
It is not luck that most of the world even some of the Arabic world think Israel has the right to defend itself, everyone can see we were provoked and viciously attacked.
Nassaralla is a murderer, a cold blood murderer who doesn't have the compassion for his own people. I am sure that he is stayinfg in his safe bunker and eating very good while his people getting killed.

 
At Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:00:00 PM, Blogger Igal said...

Speaking about militant children:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0uphYOoggE&mode=related&search=hezbollah

 
At Monday, July 24, 2006 8:06:00 PM, Blogger Solomon2 said...

i am no israeli lover but in the last few days i become a hizbullah hater.

You don't have to love Israel. You just have to ally with Israel - if you want Lebanon to be free, prosperous, and at peace, that is.

If Lebanon doesn't...well, I suppose the Israelis may work out some sort of arrangement that assures their security while doing little to affect the Hizbollah-Iran dominance of the country. It's up to Lebanon to decide. Will it choose wisely or will it choose emotionally?

 
At Monday, July 24, 2006 11:07:00 PM, Blogger Robert said...

If the people of Lebanon don't want to keep dying and starving then maybe you should consider wasting a Hezbolah member or demanding your government rid your nation of Hezbolah. If you don't then you deserve literally anything that happens by the people of Israel doing you and your governments work for you.

One thing I can tell you,should Hezbolah start any of their terrorist crap here in America then Arabs here will be deleted.

 

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