Violence Begat Violence

The following post is courtesy of my friend Said.

Violence begat violence…

I raised my children in total isolation of the 50 year old struggle in the region, believing that peace is inevitable; believing that even the “state” of Israel will eventually seek peace.

I hear you ask: what is with the “state” of Israel? I also hear myself rushing to answer: Israel can never be but a “state” and by that I am referring to a transient state of being. I subscribe to the notion that every nation has the right to exist, but I underline that no Nation is sustainable when build upon the misery of humans. The policy makers of that “state”, and those who control them and those who are controlled by them are scripting their own demise and the demise of their followers by being so violent and hateful. You see… violence begat violence!

The last of the times I helped refugees deal with their imposed misfortune was during the notorious operation that the “state” of Israel hoped would guarantee peace for the inhabitants of the northern territories. They launched and bombed and killed and slaughtered, human beings in cars and homes and streets and UN compounds (YES UN COMPOUNDS). (Operation Grapes of Wrath). For the record: it did not work.

In July 2006, they decided to go on another killing spree. So far, we have lost more than 300 civilian lives and not more than two dozen resistance fighters… Lebanon has lost more than 1 BILLION US Dollars and the losses continue to rise with every sunrise. I will not get into the humanitarian crisis that has been imposed upon us, I am sure that the days and weeks ahead will bring you in contact with images of burned children and destroyed villages. Destroyed villages with villagers under the rubble of their own homes, and if you really want to see what our villages and cities look like today I suggest you lookup images of ground zero, it should be very easy for your to find (Try to Google “9/11 terrorist innocent civilians ground zero”).

Let me just point out the following:
  • This operation has cost more lives and destroyed or impaired more livelihoods than the terra-forming earthquake and subsequent tsunami that hit Banda-Ache, that is of course after taking land and population ratios into consideration. Banda-Ache was an act of God (or nature if you prefer), this is an act of man… MAN WHO THINKS HE IS GOD !
  • More rockets have been fired into Israel over the past few days than the many year of war that the “state” has lived through. (HINT HINT?). Your policy of choice is backfiring everyday you continue to stick to it
  • Israelis: HOW can I justify to hundreds of thousands of children who underwent this ordeal that they need to stop hating and look for peace!?! Your planes are planting seeds of hate for the next 100 years (At four generations). Do you honestly think that these victims will EVER forget what the IDF is doing to them? Even long after I am dead (and I cannot forget), my children will remember. You want peace? Live it…

I want my children to have a childhood, a regular over-the-counter “kosher” childhood. Where they live and play and get sunburns because they spent the day out in the sun and not phosphorous burn from a shell that someone, I never knew, decided to fire into my back yard. I want the same for the other children and their children…. Don’t you ?

Stop killing, stop mutilating, stop raping… just STOP. And then maybe, just maybe there will be peace between all the sons of Sam


Update: Check Violence Begat Violence II.


At Monday, July 24, 2006 12:41:00 AM, Blogger quantum said...

what an absurd, nonsensical, ahistorical post...first of all, when you say things like "no Nation is sustainable when build upon the misery of humans" -- nations throughout the world have built themselves on the vanquished tribes or nations of the previous inhabitants of the land. The Arabs slaughtered the Jewish and pagan inhabitants of what is now "Saudi Arabia" -- America slaughtered the Indians -- Egypt's Muslims slaughtered the Copts..etc...No nation is pure. Every nation has the right to defend itself. You write that "n July 2006, they decided to go on another killing spree. So far, we have lost more than 300 civilian lives" as if Israel just decided, one day, to slaughter the Lebanese out of bloodlust, with absolutely no connexion to six years of cross-border attacks by Hezbullah (which sits in your government and was allowed to keep its arms by your decision). If this is the kind of thinking you bring to conflicts, then Lebanon surely will doom itself to a victim's role.

At Monday, July 24, 2006 12:47:00 AM, Blogger Rubi said...

true...this is very true...i want this for my children too,as well as for others' children..but i also want this for myself,in my current life...Is this too much to ask??
Is "PEACE for LEBANON" something imaginary that can never become real??

At Monday, July 24, 2006 1:05:00 AM, Blogger MaxZurich said...

Well, with ideas and blindness as described here it does seem a bit imaginary...
But when you see that both Egypt & Jordan made peace with Israel, we shuld all hope for a better future!

At Monday, July 24, 2006 4:32:00 AM, Blogger Vox Populi - Agent Provocateur said...

Max, Egypt and jordan didn't really make peace with Israel. It's a peace between states, not between the peoples. If there's election in these countries, this peace will crumble. It's a fake peace - and I am the first one to regret it.

At Monday, July 24, 2006 4:54:00 AM, Blogger KSM said...

The world holds Israel to extremely high moral standards in warfare. It holds Hezbollah to no standards at all. The latter feel free to pump rockets indiscriminately into Israeli population centres -- rockets whose high-explosive warheads are packed with ball bearings and other shrapnel, to maximize human carnage wherever they may land.

Israel has a right to defend itself.

Hopefully Lebanon will soon be purged from the cancer of Hezbollah. Then we can all live in peace.

At Monday, July 24, 2006 5:00:00 AM, Blogger snurdly said...

Good old-fashioned Jew-hatred from Arab governments and media allowed Hezbollah to gain a foothold in Lebanon. Now, the same Lebanese that allowed that cancer to spread while vacationing are now fleeing. What a surprise. If you don't feel the Middle East should be exclusivley Muslim than you must not be a good Arab. That's the mentality of the region.

At Monday, July 24, 2006 8:31:00 AM, Blogger Nightstudies said...

I underline that no Nation is sustainable when build upon the misery of humans.

That's the constant droning of lies and excuses that's used to justify the war against Israel that never ends.

Just end this sort of talk and actually make peace for the first time in 50 years.

Hezbollah refused to make peace. They never stopped attacking israel. But no one talks about that, they just blame Israel when it stops acting weaker than any country on the planet and responds.

At Monday, July 24, 2006 9:35:00 AM, Blogger Nightstudies said...

Is "PEACE for LEBANON" something imaginary that can never become real??

As long as Lebanese allow Hezbollah to make war and tell lies, well that isn't peace. That's just war plus a bunch of lies. And one of those lies is that war isn't war.

Israel didn't start a war, that war has never ended, never for a moment.

If you want peace, then you have to make it for the first time.

At Monday, July 24, 2006 10:52:00 AM, Blogger Mitrii said...

"Violence creates violence."
The funny thing is that you just discovered this. Hizballah's violence on the border was creating violence for 6 years in a row, and you just discovered it. I am still amazed how you all thought that you can pay with Israeli lives for your internal problems, and Israel will never react.

It would be interesting to hear what do you think is able to stop the violence.

At Monday, July 24, 2006 11:08:00 AM, Blogger peace_head said...

why do you keep referring to israel as "state"? i think it does nothing more than piss off israelis, who are pretty sure of sticking around.
infact, with a stash of nuclear weapons and a powerful US backing, i don't see israel disappearing or transitioning anytime soon.

if anything, lebanon as we know it will disappear, with the en-masse departure of maronites and the ever growing shiia numbers. welcome to hezbollahstan, where nasrallah is PM and the flag is yellow and green (with no cedars at view)

At Monday, July 24, 2006 1:09:00 PM, Blogger EdoRiver said...

Most of these posters, from their writing seem pretty young. Sigh, it is these kinds of people with high testosterone who need to get their kicks kicking ass, it is no less true on both sides. Violence kicks up the testosterone, peace doesn't do much for young people. In a democracy, people who live far from interaction with reality (how many foreign, or old or poor or very rich friends do you have) can control the state's aparatus and send it marching orders. The plurality is no guarantee of enlightened policy than the extremes.

Listen I hear and have memories of what you are saying in your blog. Because I have heard the same sentiments before. Other posters call it fantasy, IT DOESN'T MATTER, what you believe is real IS REAL. ANd I tell all you other youngsters, what is written here is not
extreme as what you can find if you go looking for it ;-). Both sides. Both sides will talk tough and the actions by the Israeli will not bring about any compromises, you can bank on that. But you folks are prepared for that, right? You're ready to kick ass, aren't you? By your holy little god, you're never going to be the one to forgive or go the extra mile. You're going to be the first one to point the finger like the 7 year old on the playground and say, "Teacher he started it. He started it. He made me do it."

And so it goes. Living where I am in "another fantasy land" I probably shouldn't really care. Are you old enough to remember when Henry Kissinger, our beloved Sec. of State said, refering to the war between Iran and Iraq, that they are like two scorpions in the desert..let them both sting each other to death...?
But the problem is that I do care, very much, for religous reasons. But there ain't much I can do. I saw the same conversations as I see here over Vietn am, and now its the terrorists...

GO kill yourselves and get that hate out of your system.

At Monday, July 24, 2006 1:50:00 PM, Blogger Free Lebanon said...

I think it is the PERFECT time to disarm hezballah.

What i find unbelievable is that Nasrallah acts like a hero when all he did was declaring war without the consent of the rest of the country, and hiding underground like a coward while more and more people in the South are left homeless.

I don't understand how this man can consider himself a true leader.

He is a traitor for all lebanese. He is the a big reason why our country hasn't moved much forward.

Israel should finish what it started so that we can finally start building our country, and who knows, maybe our region, once and for all.

I am happy I was in Lebanon when this all started, because I am now convinced that this is the only way to get us back on our feet.

At Monday, July 24, 2006 2:34:00 PM, Blogger Pegasus said...

The Jews will just start making money off the reconstruction. It's a sad state of affairs what is happening to such a good group of people. I knew Lebanese people in the US Virgin Islands back in the early 1960's and they had to escape Lebanon at that time. They were all such good people. Why does the world let Israel and the US run over and kill everyone?

At Monday, July 24, 2006 9:32:00 PM, Blogger Nightstudies said...

Pegas, when will it occur to you that the story you're getting is too one sided to be true?

At Monday, July 24, 2006 9:58:00 PM, Blogger public relations disaster said...

israelis flooding comment boxes with their lies, now where have i seen that before? i call bullshit on most of the comments above. please fuck off.

i am in favour of dismantling hezbollah, but not at the expense of THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT LIVES. anyone with half a brain can see that these actions will only strengthen extremism.

said, everyone is apalled at what israel has done to lebanon. i'm not the only one who isn't sleeping well, and i won't sleep well until i see this sick, sick war come to an end.

At Tuesday, July 25, 2006 12:41:00 AM, Blogger campaigner said...

First of all, let me say as a peace activist that I don't think that the Lebanese resistance or commonly known Hezbollah forces have the right to kill civilians, and I condemn them on this issue. BUT there are a lot of basic arguments that most international opinion are not mentioning anymore:
1- The expansion doctrine of Israel: Since we were young we have been told of the old Zionist dream of occupying the Promised Land between the Nile and Furat rivers. Is this still the case?
2- When Israel retreated from the South of Lebanon, it did not finish what it started. There are still Lebanese prisoners in Israeli prisons, Israeli fighters continuously violated the Lebanese air space, Israel did not submit the maps for mines that they have planted in South Lebanon, and of course there is the issue of the disputed Shebaa farms. Ok… even if they are Syrian, they are still not Israeli, and they are occupied land. So the Israeli withdrawal was as if you someone steals a car from you and then returns it without the steering wheel. Simply, the car will not work, and also peace will not work with just the Israeli withdrawal.
If Israel genuinely wants peace with Lebanon, it has to fulfill the above mentioned points, and I can assure you Hezbollah or anyone else will have no excuse to attack Lebanon. When Israel withdrew from South of Lebanon, opposition to Hezbollah grew, and attacks on Israel were reduced to a fraction, and were concentrated only in the small area of Shibaa farms.
Imagine what would have happened if Israel completed its act of good will, returned prisoners, gave us mine maps so that we can use the land they gave us back, stopped violating our air space, and gave back Shibaa to who ever it belongs to… I wouldn’t have had to write this comment now.

At Tuesday, July 25, 2006 3:34:00 AM, Blogger Nightstudies said...

The expansion doctrine of Israel: Since we were young we have been told of the old Zionist dream of occupying the Promised Land between the Nile and Furat rivers. Is this still the case?

No it isn't. The settler movement is marginalized, the Israeli public knows, 100%, that Israel can't occupy any more land.

But middle eastern muslims, they don't keep up with Israeli public opinion, they don't adjust to conditions - they only know permanent emnity.

There are still Lebanese prisoners in Israeli prisons

No one releases prisioners while there's still a state of war. Stop the killing, permanently, so that Israel knows that people she releases will be peaceful, and then it will be like the end of every other war. The problem is that wars with Israel are never allowed to end. Real peace is never made.

I also read that some of these prisoners were more terrorists than soldiers. A man who breaks into a house and shoots the children is a man who no one would ever release.

At Tuesday, July 25, 2006 1:02:00 PM, Blogger pro_israel said...

I'm Israeli and it's saddening for me that while this place performs as an open source for understanding the Labanese suffering - it does not function as an open discussion as for why is this suffer inflicited upon them.
Said, you wrote many things that every person would know they are true. For example that the hatered spawned here will go on for a 100 years. But you also wrote things that are not true - and negelcted to mention things that other posters have replied you about. While I understand your position about the excess use of violance of Israel, it hurts me that no mention of Hizballah was made in your post. What is your position? do you honestly believe that the actions (unproportional as they may have been) were unprovoked? please respond to your commentors... That is if you are not only writing to clense yourself and by any means stand behind your opinions...

At Thursday, July 27, 2006 1:31:00 AM, Blogger campaigner said...

To nightstudies:
Although Israel will find difficulty to occupy more land now, it doesn't mean that they won't if they had the chance in the future. It doesn't mean it is not in the dream of some Zionist. This has also been enforced by the fact that Israel has not submitted its borders to the UN yet.

To pro_Israel:
I don't believe provokation started with the kidnapping of the two Israeli soldiers. Israel has been constantly provoking us by entering our airspace and refusing to submit the mine maps in the South, which is constantly killing civilians since Israel's withdrawal.

Nevertheless, constantly blaming each other will not lead anywhere. The discussion should be what should be done from now on.

At Saturday, July 29, 2006 1:12:00 AM, Blogger snurdly said...

1 billion Muslims versus 6 million Jews puts the word "bullying" into perpective.

At Sunday, July 30, 2006 1:47:00 AM, Blogger snurdly said...

To Peace Activist: "Israel has been constantly provoking us by entering our airspace and refusing to submit the mine maps in the South,..."

Do you mean Lebanese airspace or Hezbollah's airspace?

At Monday, July 31, 2006 3:26:00 AM, Blogger snurdly said...

Israelis have to apologize for the civillians they kill but Arabs get to cheer on the streets when 3,000 Amiercans get killed or a few Jews get blown up in a bus by an Arab teenager.


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