19.7.06

War: Day 8 and Counting

Unfortunately there’s no escaping catching a glimpse of the US media’s coverage of the Middle East if you live in the United States, as television sets are nearly everywhere.

It appears that CNN is focusing today on the plight of the foreigners fleeing Lebanon. They arrive to Cyprus, they need shelter. And they’re hungry. The poor souls. Apparently the Pentagon’s evacuation efforts are below-par compared to other civilized nations. What a scandal. Of course, the scandal of bombing the hell out of a defenseless country and slaughtering its civilians is not worth CNN’s time, not when the perpetrator is the state of Israel. Neither is the plight of our people, with no one to help, isolated from the world and left on its own.

Let’s switch to Fox News. The Fox News reporter is standing at a barbwire, right on the Israeli-Lebanese frontier (no need to point out that she is on the Israeli side of the border, and so is her reporting). “You can literally touch Lebanon if you stretch your arm”. Wow, amazing. So close to danger, and yet so far. It must be so tantalizing for her to be in such a situation. She continues: “The problem with Hezbollah is that they’re like the Taliban; they love those missiles and they don’t wear uniforms. If Israel goes for a ground invasion, Hezbollah will immediately blend into the population of South Lebanon.”

Do Americans and Israelis actually believe this drivel? Hezbollah does not need to blend into the population of the South. Hezbollah IS the population of the south. Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of Lebanese are loyal and passionate about Hezbollah. It is true that Hezbollah has the backing of Syria and Iran, but to claim it’s a foreign entity is lunacy. Hezbollah is a Lebanese party, with Lebanese leaders and Lebanese followers, with Lebanese aspirations and Lebanese deficiencies. Whether you like it or not, it is the single most popular party in Lebanon.

There is no way to get rid of a resistance that has the backing of a large portion of the population. Hezbollah has its roots deep in Lebanese society, with literally hundreds of thousands of supporters. Unless Israel is thinking of mass extermination of a vast section of the Lebanese people, there is no way to eliminate the resistance.

Israel’s current strategy (bombing the hell out of us) will not shake Hezbollah. They do not have infrastructures that can be hit from the air. They don’t have tanks and caserns. Even if Israel is foolish enough to go for a ground invasion, and even if they break Hezbollah's military backbone after suffering major losses, the resistance will not fade away. Other groups will form; other forms of resistance will take shape, more effective and more deadly to Israel.

The resistance will not die away because our cause is just. People, our cause is just, we must never forget that. It is Israel that has occupied and continues to occupy part of our country for decades. It is Israel that invades our sovereignty day in and day out. It is Israel that has some of our brothers in its prisons. It is Israel that refuses to hand in a map of the hundreds of thousands of land mines planted in the south that kill civilians on a regular basis. It is Israel that has perpetrated obscene massacres against our people over and over and over again. Look across the border; look how the state of Israel is starving the Palestinian people for using their democratic right and voting their government into office.

The state of Israel is a racist and criminal state that has absolutely no regard for our lives. Yes, many Lebanese and many Hezbollah members are anti-Semitic. Yes, many Lebanese and many Palestinians have racist attitudes towards Jewish people. Many Lebanese misplace their anger and turn it into bigotry. I know that and I do not approve of that. But I don't stop here, and use it as the ultimate argument for Israel's aggression, as some hypocrites do. I know that this racism is a concrete reaction to a specific historical reality. Consider the source. The source is Zionism; the source is the Israeli state and its policies over the past six decades.

God knows I am not and will never be a member of Hezbollah. My ideology and my beliefs are radically opposed to those endorsed by Hezbollah. And yet in this conflict, I am heart and soul behind Hezbollah. Make no mistake. This is not about religion. This is not about being a Muslim or a Jew. This is much bigger. This is about safeguarding our honor and our dignity. This is about standing up to the oppressor and saying no. This is about pushing back a project that threatens every single one of us. Nobody should and nobody can take this right away from us.

Thankfully Hezbollah is not alone in this fight. The support and tenacity of the larger part of the population warms the heart. People opening their homes to refugees, volunteers trying to make a tragic situation a little brighter, individuals calling live on TV and the radio, proposing help and giving words of encouragement. This is what countries are built on: fraternity and resilience in desperate situations. The efforts of the free patriotic movement have been especially heartening. Their enthusiasm is exemplary. People’s mettle is revealed in times of crisis, and if I had to point out two major personalities that stepped up and acted like national leaders one can respect and admire, it would be Hassan Nasrallah and Michel Aoun.

You’re going to tell me that a lot of Lebanese are against Hezbollah. That is true. Many are openly criticizing the resistance and putting the blame on its action. You’d be utterly naïve if you thought that Israel started this large and coordinated campaign spontaneously. This is not about two soldiers; this is about taking advantage of the international climate to get rid of the resistance once and for all. This is not about two soldiers; this is a war between those who support the American/Israeli vision for the region, and those who oppose it.

Some in Lebanon support the Israeli plan, and they are not embarrassed to show it. It angers me, but I am not too concerned, because we have seen that these people are capable of nothing in the past.
The Israelis are going to fail, along with Saudi Arabia and the United States and their other allies, Arabs and non-Arabs.

And to the Lebanese opportunists who are betting on an Israeli victory:
Shame on you.
Shame on you for gambling on lunacy and selling your country.
You were defeated before, and you will be defeated again.

56 Comments:

At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:51:00 AM, Blogger apokraphyte said...

bravo/brava ...

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:56:00 AM, Blogger jooj said...

excellent post, jij. just excellent.

This is a war waged on everyone who says NO to Israel.

I am sure this post will attract a lot of Israeli bloggers. Don't bother commenting buddy. Your post is just excellent and says it all!

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:23:00 AM, Blogger lebanese_student said...

your post makes me sick. hezbollah does not represent me OR my family OR my friends in Lebanon. Hezbollah represents war and terror while all we want is peace FOR ONCE. For once we had the semblance of peace, all of our problems were internal, bickering between our politicians, bickering about the constitution. Now thanks to the JA7SHANEH (i don't know how to say it in english) of HEZBOLLAH we are again embroiled in a war that has no end! What kind of animals are these that wander through their streets in the south and see their dead children and broken homes and still have the absolute IDIOCY to continue fighting for Hezbollah! Inshalla 3omrom ma yirja3o! The only thing they are SUCCESSFUL in fighting against is Lebanese peace and prosperity. I don't recall the government as a whole voting for Hezbollah to make this move that jeopardizes the sovereignty, economy, democracy, and overall well being of an entire country. They are no more Lebanese than are their Iranian and Syrian sponsors...we were on our way up a week ago. Look at us now! How disgusting it is that there are people who think like you do...ya 7aram ya libnen...ya 7aram. what's become of you ?

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:32:00 AM, Blogger zeinab said...

أحدهم أرسل لي هذا المقال من موقع إيلاف فرأيت أنه يمكن أن يكون مفيدا الاطلاع على هذه الآراء النيرة!!!!

دعوة لمساندة اسرائيل لسحق الارهاب
GMT 8:00:00 2006 الثلائاء 18 يوليو
خضير طاهر
في السياسة لايوجد عدو ولاصديق، وانما توجد مصالح مشتركة هي المقياس الذي يحدد طبيعة العلاقات الدولية وتوجهات المجتعمات والقوى السياسية، والحرب الشجاعة النبيلة التي تشنها اسرائيل ضد قوى الارهاب الاجرامية المتمثلة في حماس وحزب الله هي حرب لصالح كل انسان عربي ومسلم شريف يسعى الى المحبة والسلام وتطهير الوطن العربي والاسلام من جراثيم الارهاب التي تقتل العرب والمسلمين قبل غيرهم. فأسرائيل اليوم ليست عدو للعرب والمسلمين، وانما عدونا الخطير هو قوى الارهاب التي ترتكب جرائمها ضد العرب والمسلمين في العراق والاردن ومصر والسعودية وغيرها من البلدان التي استباحت حياتها تنظيمات الاسلام السياسي التي أشاعت جرائم الخطف والتفجيرات والقتل والخراب في كل مكان. كل مواطن عربي شريف حريص على صورة الانسان العربي ويريد تنظيفها من تلويث الارهاب لها يجب عليه ان يفرح ويساند اسرائيل على جهودها النبيلة لتخليصه من الجماعات الارهابية.
وكل مسلم متدين حريص على نقاء الاسلام وحمايته من تلويث جراثيم الارهاب له يجب عليه ان يشكر الله تعالى ويساند جهود اسرائيل في سحق قوى الارهاب الاجرامية التي خطفت الاسلام وشوهت صورة الدين الحقيقية، صورة دين التسامح ومحبة الانسانية. انها فرصة تاريخية لاتتكرر لتوحيد الجهود وتوجيه ضربة ماحقة الى بؤر الاجرام وإبادة جماعات القاعدة وحماس والجهاد وحزب الله والتنظيمات الشيعية في العراق التابعة لإيران والاخوان المسلمين، وكذلك ضرب التحالف الشيطاني لنظامي الملالي في ايران والبعث السوري، لقد أشتد غضب الله على الارهابيين المجرمين واخزاهم وهزمهم وجعلهم يفرون مذعورين كأي مجرم جبان ويختبؤن في الكهوف المظلمة بين الاطفال والنساء.

خضير طاهر تنويه: كاتب السطور عربي ومسلم متدين.
Kta19612@comcast.net

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:45:00 AM, Blogger Lazarus said...

jij,

we may be against the criminal murders the IDP is perpetrating, but that doesn't mean we have to be on Hezbollah's side. there is a third option.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:48:00 AM, Blogger SC said...

Well, I guess that means a whole lot of shi'ites need to ride the Allah-express courtesy of an Israeli missile. Make no mistake, jij, you and your hizbullah animal kind will join the dustbin of history along with the Nazis, Soviets, Khmer Rouge, Taliban, etc. You are hizbullah and God-willing you will die at the hands of a Jewish soldier with good Lebanese cheering as you slip away.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:53:00 AM, Blogger lebanese_student said...

lazurus...it seems in the blog community...where people should be so free to say what they want...if a lebanese disagrees with hezbollah's actions, they are immediately zionist lovers or traitors. I will give anything for my country, and I will NOT allow Hezbollah to use it as a sacrifice for Iran or Syria. Anyways, thanks for exposing the "third" strain of thought.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:54:00 AM, Blogger mikealpha said...

I am an evil America so you can immediately discount what I say.

1) Hezbollah recently rocketed northern Israel and used that as a diversion to cross the border, kill 3 Israeli soldiers and kidnap 2 others. That is an act of war. Since Lebanon has never signed a peace treaty with Israel from previous wars you are still officially at war besides.
2) Countries at war fight. They bomb and rocket each other until one side sees things differently. People, even the innocent, die. Property is destroyed. Tourist seasons are ruined. War is indeed inconsiderate. But you are very foretunate in your choice of enemy. If you were fighting the Russians your country would be a levelled smoking ruin like Grozny and the death toll would as high as it was in your civil war.
3) Maybe the Lebanese are still more terrified of another civil war than they are of a war with Israel and that is why they don't negotiate a peace .
3) Doesnt look like anyone is going to be rescuing Nasrallah from those diabolical Jooos . Maybe that is because a lot of the rest of the world is getting tired of nutcake Islamic killers blowing people up.
4) If Lebanon cant come to terms internally and negotiate a peace, Israel will settle for degrading Hezbollah to the point that they are not a threat; damaging Lebanese infrastructure to the point that it will be difficult to import and maintain long range missiles and establishing an empty free-fire zone on it's border.
5) Hezballah will be crushed, it's days as a military force are over. 6) There is no honor in destroying a country to earn browny pints with an Iranian fruitcake. The sooner the majority of Lebanese realize this the more likely Lebanon is to survive as an independent country.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:56:00 AM, Blogger jij said...

Lazarus tell us about the third way. I won't respond to the trolls.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:58:00 AM, Blogger Big Dog said...

I feel real badly that the Lebonese people got caught in the middle of this fight. The UN let you down and Iran and Syria sacrificed the country to spread terror.

The fact is, Israel has given back territory they took in war in accordance with UN resolution and the Hizbollah did not disarm like they were supposed to. They launch rockets into Israel nearly every day and Israel is tired of it.

I really wish that the people of Lebanon would have stood up to Hizbollah and forced them to give the soldiers back. This is a war that Hizbollah started. The Israelis are allowed to respond and if Hizbollah actually cared about your country they would have given the soldiers back. Neither they, nor Syria, nor Iran care about you. They are using you to engage in war against Syria.

It is a tragedy but for all the pictures of dead Lebanese you show there are pictures of Israelis dead in cafes because of rockets and suicide bombers. Israel is a very small country surrounded by a lot of very big countries that want to wipe it off the map. If you screw with a cornered animal long enough it is going to attack, and they have been screwed with long enough.

You were not crying for them when they were getting rockets and suicide bombers. Did you once denounce Hizbollah for these acts or are you, like so many in the region, happy when Jews die?

It could have been a peaceful place with you developing a democracy and Israel minding its own business. Hizbollah ruined that for you and now I hope Israel does not stop until every last member of that terroorist group is dead.

God have mercy on those children and all the innocents who have and are going to die because of Hizbollah, Iran, and Syria.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:01:00 AM, Blogger Lazarus said...

mikealpha,

i'll read the rest of your comment later; it's long, and i currently don't have the time, but your first line puzzled me: why are you an evil american?

sc,

are you advocating mass murder? your comment sorta reminded me of something an old fascist dictator said half a century ago. his tale didn't end well.

be sensible when you post comments. more importantly, be human.

cheers,
laz.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:01:00 AM, Blogger LebExile said...

YOU SAY:
It appears that CNN is focusing today on the plight of the foreigners fleeing Lebanon. They arrive to Cyprus, they need shelter. And they’re hungry.

THATS THE NEWS, GET OVER IT - THIS IS NOT SYRIA TV, THE GOVT DOSENT CHOOSE WHAT IS REPORTED

Do Americans and Israelis actually believe this drivel? Hezbollah does not need to blend into the population of the South. Hezbollah IS the population of the south.

THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, THERE WERE CHRISTIANS AND DRUZE AND SUNNI IN THE SOUTH, THEY MOST LIKELY ARE NOT HEZBOLLAH SUPPORTERS - WHO ARE YOU KIDDING

Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of Lebanese are loyal and passionate about Hezbollah.

PLEASE, DONT EXAGGERATE HERE, MAYBE HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS OF SUNNI MOSLEMS, PALESTINIAN REFUGEES AND SYRIAN MUKHABARAT ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT HEZBOLLAH

It is true that Hezbollah has the backing of Syria and Iran, but to claim it’s a foreign entity is lunacy.

WE DONT CLAIM IT IS A FOREIGN ENTITY, JUST A BUNCH OF LOCAL TRAITERS THAT TAKE THEIR ORDERS FROM A FOREIGN GOVT.

Whether you like it or not, it is the single most popular party in Lebanon.

HIGHLY DOUBTFUL - AND AFTER THIS IS OVER, WILL BE THE MOST HATED PARTY IN LEBANON.

There is no way to get rid of a resistance that has the backing of a large portion of the population.

EXACTLY WHAT ARE THEY RESISTING AGAIN...

Hezbollah has its roots deep in Lebanese society, with literally hundreds of thousands of supporters.

YEAH I KNOW - THATS HOW CANCER SPREADS.

Unless Israel is thinking of mass extermination of a vast section of the Lebanese people, there is no way to eliminate the resistance.

YOU JUST STATED A WAY...

Israel’s current strategy (bombing the hell out of us) will not shake Hezbollah. They do not have infrastructures that can be hit from the air.

I KNOW, THEY'RE ALL IN IRAN - HOPEFULLY THE US WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT...

the resistance will not fade away.

HOPEFULLY NOT, I WANT THEM TRIED FOR TREASON, THEY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH DESTROYING A COUNTRY..

Other groups will form; other forms of resistance will take shape, more effective ...

HOPEFULLY PEACEFUL GROUPS...

...God knows I am not and will never be a member of Hezbollah. My ideology and my beliefs are radically opposed to those endorsed by Hezbollah. And yet in this conflict, I am heart and soul behind Hezbollah.

WOW, I'M SURE THEY ARE THANKFUL FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT...

Make no mistake. This is not about religion. This is not about being a Muslim or a Jew. This is much bigger. This is about safeguarding our honor and our dignity.

THANKS AND NO THANKS, HEZBOLLAH ARE THE LAST PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT HONOR AND DIGNITY...

Thankfully Hezbollah is not alone in this fight.

UNFORTUNATELY NOT ... THAT TACTIC OF HIDING IN CIVILIAN AREAS IS A PROBLEM ISN'T IT

The support and tenacity of the larger part of the population warms the heart. People opening their homes to refugees, volunteers trying to make a tragic situation a little brighter, individuals calling live on TV and the radio, proposing help and giving words of encouragement. This is what countries are built on: fraternity and resilience in desperate situations.

THE LEBANESE ARE GENEROUS AND HOSPITABLE I WILL ADMIT..

I had to point out two major personalities that stepped up and acted like national leaders one can respect and admire, it would be Hassan Nasrallah and Michel Aoun.

DID YOU SAY LEADERS OR RATS HIDING IN CAVES???

Some in Lebanon support the Israeli plan, and they are not embarrassed to show it.

MOST LEBANESE OUTSIDE LEBANON ALSO SUPPORT THAT PLAN, WE AREN'T EMBARRASSED TO SHOW IT EITHER...

It angers me, but I am not too concerned, because we have seen that these people are capable of nothing in the past.
The Israelis are going to fail, along with Saudi Arabia and the United States and their other allies, Arabs and non-Arabs.

OH, OK, THEN, STOP ASKING FOR A CEASEFIRE, AND WIN ALREADY...

And to the Lebanese opportunists who are betting on an Israeli victory:

GO ISRAEL...

Shame on you.
Shame on you for gambling on lunacy and selling your country.
You were defeated before, and you will be defeated again.

SORRY MATE, WE ARE NOT SELLING OUR COUNTRY, HEZBOLLAH ALREADY DID THAT TO SYRIA AND IRAN... GO CHECK, THE TITLE DEEDS ARE IN TEHRAN...

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:17:00 AM, Blogger lebanese_student said...

Big dog--it's so obvious you are an American that had no idea what Lebanon WAS before Anderson Cooper showed you a map a few days ago. The Lebanese have NOTHING to do with bombs that affect "Jews in cafes and restaurants" or whatever you called it. That's NOT our war, and lumping Lebanese (christians, sunnis, shiites, druze, etc) places a giant bullseye on you that screams "IGNORANT."

and Leb Exile...you said "PLEASE, DONT EXAGGERATE HERE, MAYBE HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS OF SUNNI MOSLEMS, PALESTINIAN REFUGEES AND SYRIAN MUKHABARAT ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT HEZBOLLAH." Proofread :)

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:17:00 AM, Blogger mikizzz said...

i hope you don't think of me as a troll...i am on this website because i donot believe in american news...i am a canadian however, and am writing only from what i see. i have been trying to educate myself from both sides. i of course have never seen anyone i love die a horible death. i can understand the anger everyone feels, i am furious watching the tragedy. i wrote my prime minister to stop the bombing. i do not agree with cutting of sanctions to any country. i also do not agree with the hard liners(of course as i see it), only because unfortunately i do believe that it is impossible to move a whole nation...i do not agree that they should have taken your land in the first place, but again unfortunately that was many generations ago... i also believe that most israeli's do not like being forced into their army, as they are forced, an ordered to attack your country when provoked by remaining idiots in your country(lebanon), i appologize if i spelled that wrong. i have gotten everyone i know to write the prime minister...i think this is sever, and disguisting...i also do believe that lebanon should take more responsinbility for disarming their citizen's, and taking control of the weapons throught the government internally...please help me help you...i don't know what else i can do to help...I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS CAN END...BUT THE RACISM HAS TO STOP ON BOTH SIDES...IT'S KILLING YOUR FAMILIES...YOU BOTH CAN PROSPER IF YOU CAN OVERCOME YOUR RACISM........ALSO....I BELIEVE THAT ALL PRISONERS OF WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST REGION SHOULD BE HANDED OVER TO THE UN TO BE PUT THROUGH THE JUSTICE SYSTEM QUICKLY SO THAT THE ELDERLY, AND THE WOMEN, AND CHILDREN CAN BE RELEASED FROM PRISON WITHIN A 60 DAY PERIOD....STOP THE BOMBING...MAY GOD/ALLAH BLESS YOU ALL...THE EMAIL FOR THE PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA (STEPHEN HARPER)
IS pm@pm.gc.ca i will pray for you all...

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:30:00 AM, Blogger blogagog said...

WOW!!! Did I misread your post? Did you say that FOX was mistaken when they thought that Hezbollah would fade into the civilian population, because Hezbollah IS the civilian population in the south?

Do you mean that do destroy Hezbollah, every civilian in South Lebanon must die?

As an American I'll say that yes, I did believe that drivel, and am sad to hear from you that all southern lebanese are terrorists :(

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:43:00 AM, Blogger blogagog said...

To go one step further, I saw that Hezbollah is not allowing civilians to flee in order to maximize civilian casualties.

"Hizbullah is preventing civilians from leaving villages in southern Lebanon. Roadblocks have been set up outside some of the villages to prevent residents from leaving, while in other villages Hizbullah is preventing UN representatives from entering, who are trying to help residents leave. In two villages, exchanges of fire between residents and Hizbullah have broken out."

Are you entirely positive these fleeing people are part of Hezbollah, and Hezbollah is doing the world a favor by keeping them concentrated in the south so they can be more easily removed to give the world peace? I have to say I doubt it, but will defer to your greater knowledge on the subject.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:43:00 AM, Blogger jij said...

mikizzz first no I don't think you are a troll. Second, I really don't know what to say to you. Tell me, what exactly do you Lebanese to do? The country is pretty much evenly split. Some support Hezbollah's weapons as deterrent to Israel, some don't and want them to give the weapons. Lebanon is not Norway, where everything can be resolved through institutions, and it's not North Korea, where one half of the population is thrown in jail and problem solved. What exactly do u want us to do? Start a civil war so that we ensure Israel's security? Besides, Israel's response has been so savage, so gruesome and so pornographic that really the only descent thing for Lebanese to do is to stand together and be strong. This is war and we are all being targeted, pro- and anti- Hezbollah.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:44:00 AM, Blogger jij said...

blogagogo for the love of god where did you read this comical news?

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:47:00 AM, Blogger mikealpha said...

Lazarus,

I dont think I am evil but I wanted to spare Hezballah supporters (who do seem to think Americans are evil) the nuisance of having to read my comment.

War is hell. That was said by an American general who totally destroyed everything (and I do mean absolutely everything) in his path during the American civil war. Lebanon is in a war. You cant expect it to fair. You cant expect only the guilty to suffer.

War has objectives . Rational, intelligent good people try to implement those objectives at minimal cost to themselves. They do that by destroying what needs to be destroyed. This often entails killing anyone nearby or in the way. Looking the other way, wishing the war away or calling such people murderers doesnt change anything. You need to be rational too. Lebanon has lost this war. Lebanon needs to make peace.

I hope you survive. I hope your friends and family survive. I hope Lebanon survives.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:52:00 AM, Blogger LebExile said...

and Leb Exile...you said "PLEASE, DONT EXAGGERATE HERE, MAYBE HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS UPON HUNDREDS OF SUNNI MOSLEMS, PALESTINIAN REFUGEES AND SYRIAN MUKHABARAT ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT HEZBOLLAH." Proofread :)

You're right LebStudent... I meant Shia Moslems, not Sunni...

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:55:00 AM, Blogger Lazarus said...

jij,

blogagogo (??) might have gotten it from ynet news. it's been making its rounds.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:59:00 AM, Blogger Lazarus said...

You cant expect only the guilty to suffer.

Does that statement still hold when most of those who suffer are the innocents? children?

And explain to me the objectives of the war. After you've done that, compare these objectives to what is happening on the ground.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:03:00 AM, Blogger killbush said...

US and UK say about bombardment from countries like south korea iran and iraq! So why the fcuk are they letting israel bomb lebonan for? I dont know why this is allowed for 2 soldiers! These people were after bin laden they never found him you people got nothing better to do but bomb US MUSLIMS! I think the western world is happy with killing INNOCENT afghanis, iraqis, lebonesians! Oh well i think its only fair if we start a war in the western world and kill NON MUSLIMS!! Thats the way YOUR government wants thats the way they going to get it!

You fcuking blame us for chemical and nuclear power when we dont have money to feed our children??

You say that you will find the hezbollah leader and members of the group? Have you even fcuking thought of the fact that has bin laden been found?? NOPE!! These western politicans are asking for trouble and soon enough they going to get it...

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:11:00 AM, Blogger mikizzz said...

jij

i do not expect anything of anyone...my only fear is if your government does not take control of their weapons within your country, you will always have war...it also gives the trigger happy americans, and israeli's an excuse to "fight terror"...they do not see that their international policies impeed them...i do believe that the honest and true citizens of the middle east have to do something in their own environment to stop the violence...canada does not have weapons...the americans do...the american's had a gun drive where you could place your gun into a mail box, with no repercussions...no one tracked those weapons...many weapons came off the steets...you need to give your arms to your elected government...you also need to stop electing hard liner politicians...unfortunately for the middle east israel is not going away...also the average israeli hates the conflict...it does pain them when they see images of your dead...their government is making shitty dicisions...the same is unfortunately true for the americans...the average american hates the conflict in the middle east and wants the troops home...as you see, we all love our children...god bless and stay safe all of you..please try to forgive...stop the violence

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:13:00 AM, Blogger killbush said...

why vote for the basterd president if you dont like the cunt

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:21:00 AM, Blogger mikizzz said...

kill bush,

bush will definately be voted out...alot of people in america do not like him, some that do are to ignorant of world politics to know any better...i know that you have no money to feed your family...i can imagine the lengths i would go to to protect and feed my own...please ask for UN help...the citizens of the world do not want this left in the hands of the politicians...i am writing everyone i know...this butchery on both sides must stop!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:25:00 AM, Blogger mikizzz said...

unfortunately only about 30 % of the population votes...and when election time came for bill clinton...war was not on the adgenda...when he was re-elected the fucking republicans played on the terror card because of 9/11, and the other guy was a fucking pussy...people were scared, and didn't know what to do...also taxes were down, unemployment was down, and he hated gays. fucked up eh?

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:42:00 AM, Blogger Poul said...

jij, what part of lebanon does israel "continue to occupy"? i thought israel withdrew from lebanon 6 years ago, to complete satisfaction of united nations. so what are you resisting? existance of israel as a state?

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:55:00 AM, Blogger Poul said...

jij,

> Tell me, what exactly do you Lebanese to do? The country is pretty much evenly split. Some support Hezbollah's weapons as deterrent to Israel, some don't and want them to give the weapons. ..What exactly do u want us to do?

"deterrent to Israel" against what? israel wouldn't attack you in the first place if not hizballah. it's like shooting yourself in the foot as deterrent to mosquitoes.

i can not answer for others, but here goes:

1. sign peace treaty with israel.
2. ask third parties - nato, france, saudis, un - to help you to disarm hisballah and prevent a civil war.
3. return kidnapped israelis in exchange for lebanese prisoners going from israel to the trial in international courts.
4. declare general elections - your politicians failed you.

fair?

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:56:00 AM, Blogger blogagog said...

I'd hardly call Hezbollah forcing civilians to stay in place to die 'comical', jij. I'd certainly be happy to find out it's not true though. Unless of course they are Hezbollah 'civilians'.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:04:00 AM, Blogger LebExile said...

KillBush,

Why do you have to bring up all other wars, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq. We are discussing Lebanon here. they have nothing to do with it..

Hezib-devil went and attacked a soverign country and kidnapped 2 citizens of that country, as well as killed several others...


what would you expect Israel to do...
Swap prisioners??? why, so Hezib-devil can go on and kidnap more citizens??

Yes the response has been disproportinate, many civilians got killed when the Hezib-devil stooges went and hid among them...

If they had any dignity, or conscience, they would not have fired from and hid in civilian areas... There is plenty of open farmland where they can shoot from..

But no, the devil worshiping Hezib decides to shoot from childrens bedrooms.

The Lebanese should have gotton rid of the devil-worshippers when they got Syria out, but, not to worry, Israel will give a helping hand and do it for them...

I only hope this ends pretty soon - the destruction of the devil worshipers that is..

Regards all

Long live free and prosperous Lebanon.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:13:00 AM, Blogger CatoRenasci said...

Jij: If you think for one millisecond that anyone in the West will have increased sympathy for Lebanon or the Lebanese after reading your post, you are profoundly misguided.

If it's really true that there are hundreds of thousands of Lebanese who support the terrorist Hezbollah, then I think we'll have to test their willingness to die for their beliefs.

The Western way of war, when it really gets cranked up, is to spare civilians where possible, but to destroy the enemy. Civilians who fight are francs-tireur subject to summary execution. If you hide the enemy in your house, both you and your house are liable to be blown to kingdom come. Our warfare consists of doing, not boasting. You don't like it when the Israelis won't play your game. Get over it. Surrender. Or Stand and Die.

In Staub mit alle Feinden Brandenburgs!

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:25:00 AM, Blogger Achillea said...

fascist dictator said half a century ago. his tale didn't end well.

Something you might also recall is he shared Hizballah's attitude toward Jews.

bush will definately be voted out

mikizzz, you seem to be ignorant as to a fairly fundamental aspect of the American Presidency. They serve two terms only. This is President Bush's second term. He can't be voted out in 2008 because he won't even be running. That said, take your delusional little DailyKos spite back to the lefty sandbox, this is a blog about Lebanon.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:58:00 AM, Blogger mikizzz said...

you are right, he has served 2 terms, my mistake...but do you not think that bush will have another war machine republican to fill his shoes?...in case you didn't recognize someone who is on your side and wants the bombing of YOUR children to stop, because it is disgusting to humanity...am i so delusional to want peace...i have emailed my government, the united states government, and the UN...as well as signed the petition to stop the bombing of lebanon.... i also believe that all prisoners of war should be sent to the UN for trial...this is going to take alot more than the lebanese government to stop this bombing...do you not want help...are you so proud, and so stubborn?...do you need to fling insult to feel better....this is a blog is about a war that may need international help to get israel to stop...i don't see those soldiers going back...i want to help lebanon

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:00:00 AM, Blogger mikizzz said...

p.s.

i have no idea what a DailyKos spite is???!!

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:02:00 AM, Blogger jooj said...

jij, you are a star. killon baddon rasak!
dawri, la' dawri, wle dawri wle.

To mikizzz: we need something more practical. Half the country supports Hizbullah in one form or another. We have to ask where all this support comes from. An entire half can not be all idiots. One reason for this support is that Hizbullah operated many humanitarian programs like hospitals and schools. They provided services that the lebanese government was not capable of providing. As jij pointed out, any attempt to disarm them by force will result in nothing but civil war. Thus a national dialogue was taking place (slowly, but still). A devisable plan was being discussed. Israel realized it is a complicated process. They ran out of patience (7aram). So now they are teaching us how to disarm them.

This is definitely not gonna disarm Hizbullah. If anything, it is disarming people's fear of the Israeli war machine.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:08:00 AM, Blogger blogagog said...

I certainly hope you are wrong when you say "Half the country supports Hizbullah in one form or another" jooj. Because that gives Israel justification to kill half of the Lebanese people. Before you repeat that "An entire half can not be all idiots", remember that half of Germany supported Hitler.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:24:00 AM, Blogger mikizzz said...

are you not listening to these people...i do believe that hizbullah was created in 82 because of occupation of their land...they did not have a working government to defend themselves...everyone will defend their young...jooj said that they supported them in one form or another...i support the united states ideals in their own country, but their foriegn policy is why people call us zionists...i am so tired of racial slurs!!!! the time for hizbullah is no more...lebanon has a working government...all weapons should be in the hands of the government...the americans once did a gun drive in the city of Detroit, one of the most violent cities in America...guns were dropped annonomously in mail boxes...maybe it's not possible, but at least i am trying to be constructive.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:31:00 AM, Blogger jooj said...

blogagog: I don't see the analogy. An idiot by definition is a layman who lacks skill. One may call Hitler and his supporters many well-deserved ill names but not sure if Idiots would be right.

I will repeat it: An entire half can not all be idiots. See the reasons above!

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:50:00 AM, Blogger blogagog said...

Oh. I meant "idiot" to mean "misguided", not the dictionary meaning of the word. My apologies for misunderstanding you.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:50:00 AM, Blogger mikizzz said...

if you think that by supporting hizbullah, you are doing your country a favour, you are not... it is not intelligent to follow a group with so many weapons, as everyone in your country has agreed to...they need to put their weapons in the hands of your elected government...if hizbullah has the general population's saftey in mind, they will agree...i also think that half of your country is an estimate...there are alot of people against the violence they create...not idiots....mislead

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:55:00 AM, Blogger Inf said...

israel's exadurated use of power during this war results only from the continuing Hizbollah aggression. every time that Hizbollah has pulled off with its militaristic provoking acts during the past 6 years since Israel's full withdrawal from lebanon, the response was minor and aimed for the source. this time israel wants to put an end to it once and for all, and create such a pressure that will make a necessity to disarm hizbollah.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:07:00 AM, Blogger dana said...

i want to say to all the peaple in lebanon that what israel doing the "dairty job" that u need to do long time ago.
for all the intelligent, democratic's belivers that want abetter place to live
u goung to see that if hizballa- the terrorist group that control your life in every step u doing will vanish and u will live in the futuer in a better economic country
may god will send us peace and love
for all the middle east
be strong there...the futuer will prove to u that israel doing it for the sake of here on & for yours

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 11:30:00 AM, Blogger Yoav said...

So what are you suggestions???
does Hizzballa represtent the Lebanonies people, csue if it's like that, we suppose to feel less bad about hurting you!.
The truth is that we feel bad about it but YOU ALL left us no choise. We didn't started it but Lebanonies people can end it.
Does the avarage Lebanonie citizen truly believe that all od the kiddnapping and shooting and loss of money and tourism in Lebanon worth it. Even if you'll get Hizzballas prisoners back including Samir Kuntar, I don't think i'll see any parties bcz Lebanon will be too busy rebuild it self and burry their deads. YOU ALL can stop it, like you reduced the Syrian!!!.
Nassralla shot Lebanon in the leg and you all know it.
This conflict now between us is only between us so we both find a way to solve it withour involving the Syrians, Iranians, Americans, Europians and without involve the Palestinian problem (don't forget what they did to Lebanon)cause it's not the issue

hop it will end soon and we'll have peace (it's a lot to ask but we all can try)

Yoav
Haifa, Israel

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:54:00 PM, Blogger Ohad said...

Lazarus:
"And explain to me the objectives of the war. After you've done that, compare these objectives to what is happening on the ground."

I have actually wrote exactly what I think the objectives of this war are, and actually, they are exactly what happens on the ground.

Check it out:
How to stop the war in Lebanon

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 1:46:00 PM, Blogger Shay said...

Social psychologists have noted, and I found it particularly interesting in this case, that in international conflicts, it is common for both parties to feel (usually very passionately) that international report grossly favours the other side.
I know that's what we always feel on this side of the fence, it's interesting to see the sociopsychological theory work in practice; that these are the same notions across the border...
Hmmm...

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:45:00 PM, Blogger Ronen said...

You are a coward, the people of Lebanon are coward. You are being sodomized by Iran and Syria since forever and doing nothing. You can't seat and whinge about the "Disaster" as your country has, besides of it's regular formal army, another semi-Army, terrorist movement called Hizbulah.

If your stupid government got it self some balls and stood for it's own, no Syrian or Iranian forces where in the country, Hizbullah was not controlling southern Lebanon and you woudn't be runing to shelters every couple of hours.

It seems that the brain-washed Lebanonize people, who think of themselves as "Western", still can't grasp the Idea behind sovereignty. A sovereign country is in charge of it's borders and it's domestic law enforcement. Since Lebanon is not exercising its sovereignty upon south Lebanon and Hizbullah, Israel is forced to respond as a responsible sovereign country that takes care of its civilians who are being bombarded by Hizbullah and other terrorist organizations.

If you ever wish to livein a normal country make your country normal. Don't expect the world or Israel to cope with the chaos in your country. If you want to allow the Shi'ite nephewes of Bin-Laden to use your country as their base for terroristic activities please also expect that your country will be destroyed, slowly but surly by Israel.

With regards and high hopes for Better future,
Ronen, 28 Y.O from Haifa, Software developer, serves as an armored corpsman on reserve military unit

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:31:00 PM, Blogger thelighterthief said...

as an englishman and EU resident I am disgusted by both the coverage of this situation and the complete lack of support for the lebanese people. Blair has made it quite clear that he doesn't value life in the middle east, except for the israelis and the uk troops that most of the population doesn't think should be there.

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 3:43:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Thelighterthief do you value the lives of the many Israelis that have ben murdered or kidnapped in the last 6 years?

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:06:00 PM, Blogger deladieri said...

@shmulik

734 children Palestinian (moslem & christian) have been killed by the IDF + Jews Settler for the past 6 years.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:19:00 PM, Blogger benshevetlevi said...

deladieri,
you said:
'734 children Palestinian (moslem & christian) have been killed by the IDF + Jews Settler for the past 6 years'

assuming that's true, every one of those deaths saddens israel.
WHEREAS,
every israeli death is a time for palestinians to celebrate.

yes, israel accidentally kills palestinian ( and now lebanese) civilians in the crossfire or because hizbolah is hiding behind them as shields
WHEREAS,
palestinian and hizbollah terrorists delliberately target israeli civilians!

 
At Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:26:00 PM, Blogger Akiva M said...

Jij

I understand the sentiment. As an american jew who's been scanning Lebanese blogs since this began to get a sense of how things are for you, I am on the whole impressed with Lebanon and its people, and very much torn up over the suffering of innocents in Lebanon.

That said, I just want to point out two things to you, both from your own mouth:

According to you, Hezbollah represents the will of the people of Lebanon. Personally, from what I've read on the various blogs and other sources, I don't agree.

But if you really believe that Hezbollah represents the will of Lebanon, how can you complain when Israel attacks Lebanon in response to Hezbollah actions??

It may be impossible to do, given the emotions of the situation and the danger you find yourself in, but take a step back and think about it logically for a minute, and I think that you'll see the contradiction.

Second, you ask whether Lebanon should have engaged in a civil war "to ensure Israel's security". What you are basically saying is that Lebanon made a decision not to do anything at all to stop Hezbollah's attacks on Israel, because the cost of doing so would be high for Lebanon, while the costs of inaction would fall entirely on the Israelis (and why should Lebanon care about that, hey?)

Well, again, I can see why you might find that approach attractive, but I'm sure that if you look at it rationally you can understand why Israel would vehemently disagree with it.

The fact is - as other Lebanese have so eloquently put it - Lebanon stands at a crossroads. Does it side with Hezbollah, support Hezbollah, and share Hezbollah's fate? Or does it oppose Hezbollah - not just in rhetoric but in deed - and say to the world "we are not with them, we should not be treated like them, and we will help fight them"

Do the former, and - again - I don't see how you can complain when Israel reacts accordingly; if Lebanon stands with Hezbollah it should be treated as though it acted with Hezbollah. Do the latter, and you will have peace and a stable relationship with your vastly more powerful southern neighbor.

Look, all of that said, do I agree with every Israeli action in this war? No - they have been far too careless with their attacks; if they need to take out roads to prevent resupply to Hezbollah they should do so, but for god's sake time the attack to minimize civillian casualties. Somebody in the Israeli army deserves to pay - and pay hard - for the tragic recklessness of Marwaheen.

But should Israel be attacking those roads at all? As long as Hezbollah gets supplies along them, yes, Israel should.

Just my opinion. Stay safe, all of you, and all of yours.

Akiva

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:20:00 AM, Blogger Lebanese_Angel said...

Hi all, first of all to all those lebanese who disagree with Hizbollah, what are you thinking?? flashback: in 2000 Hizbollah was the ONLY one who had the courage to fight againest isreal and becuaes of their determination they were able to free south lebanon ( cuz you know the south IS considered a part of lebanon) I just wonder why are you againest Hizbollah yes they did kidnap 2 soldiers but they did that not because they are terrorists they did that because isreal has 1000 lebanese prisoners and all they wanted was an exchange between the prisoners because there are familes who want to see their children after so many years. To be honest you ppl who are againest Hizbollah should be ashamed of yourself because without them Lebanon would have never been free. if you are againest Hizbollah do not say you hate them and you wish them death because they are lebanese too! you know so PLEASE KEEP YOUR THOUGHTS TO YOURSELF!!! Did you know that the ppl in lebanon have all thir hopes in Hizbollah and they truely believe that on Hizbollah's hand Lebanon will taste freedom again so please do not put down the hopes of these ppl who becuase of this hope they are still living.

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:28:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Lebanese angel you are misinformed. There are 3 lebanese in israeli prisons including the "hero" Samir Kuntar who has murdered in cold blood an entire family including bashing the head of a 4 year old girl with the butt of is rifle.
Can you tell me in a straight face that you want this man free and than complain about war crimes?

 
At Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:31:00 AM, Blogger Fm/Gavazzi06 said...

HI. you rigth.
Israel can MURDER a few thousand Lebanese, but they can't Kill an IDEA!
BE FREE
KEEP SAFE>

 
At Friday, July 21, 2006 10:31:00 PM, Blogger Nightstudies said...

Lebanese citizens who suddenly feel a need to declare their solidarity with Hezbollah should consider that Hezbollah has fired 800 missiles into Israel over the last couple of decades.

Now imagine the slaughter that would have ensude if Lebanon had been firing those missiles in to Syria, and how quickly it would have come. Or, imagine that Lebanon was differently positioned, and had tried to fire 800 missiles into into Turkey, Egypt or Iranian cities. Once again Lebanon would be a memory by now.

So you say that this proves nothing because Israel is a democracy and should be less brutal than her neighbors?

Imagine that Cuba fired a single missile toward Orlando Florida... The Cuban government would have been invaded and overthrown inside a month.

Ask yourself, how many attacks did Al Qa'eda and their client the Taliban get on the American mainland before we went and overthew them? Exactly one.

But middle eastern Muslims are so used to killing Israeli Jews that it never even occurs to them that there could ever be a cost for their attacks... That's because Israel is the most liberal, and the most passive country in the world, despite your constant lies that they're monsters. Any strong country would have responded to the constant attacks with a much more mercyless war than Israel will ever do.

As it stands the Israeli army kills far fewer Lebanese Shiites each day than the average Sunni suicide bomber in Baghdad. Funny that Hezbollah has never asked anyone for unity in opposing that slaughter.

 

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