19.1.07

In the words of Mazen Kerbaj...


...FHEMTO AWW MA FHEMTO?

20 Comments:

At Friday, January 19, 2007 2:14:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amazing work delirious, and you are right, we ALL wanna live b hal balad :)

 
At Friday, January 19, 2007 2:16:00 PM, Blogger Eve said...

:)

 
At Friday, January 19, 2007 2:41:00 PM, Blogger nobilis tobilis said...

Well said Del!
I hope that will be the end of a long series of campaigns and counter-campaigns, where, at least, we all agree on the fact that we want to live in Lebanon.

 
At Friday, January 19, 2007 2:58:00 PM, Blogger MMMMMMMMM said...

Luv it

 
At Friday, January 19, 2007 3:07:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That Mazen Kerbej is salbeh!

 
At Friday, January 19, 2007 3:28:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

ummm..
wasn't that in the "iranian-syrian" funded newspaper ? ;)

 
At Friday, January 19, 2007 3:34:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

.. and I am lost here.. some people sated that they like it and they support the "I Love life" campaign.. keef?

 
At Friday, January 19, 2007 3:41:00 PM, Blogger MarxistFromLebanon said...

fantastic work Del.

and good point hillz

 
At Friday, January 19, 2007 3:54:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

hillz, I'm supposing you shouldn't be liking it either. didn't u see the opposition rainbow there as well? unless you're just a neutral observer in this lebanese political arena, who happen to "sympathize" with one party over the other. and in this case, I take back what I said :)

even with such a drawing, lebanese people just have to bring up their 7azeziyeit. amazing!

 
At Friday, January 19, 2007 4:27:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

ok..
ma fee 7azaziyyeit. I am trying to raise a discussion and a debate or else it will turn to an msn chat.(although I am really fed up with the heart thing and i guess there are more important things to discuss: paris 3, the economical plan, etc....). but i'll elaborate to prove a point.

- let's compare this post with the previous one and take mX9 previous comment as an example (don't take it personally, I am just elaborating my point):

In the previous post, there was "I heart aishti", mX9 stated:

"I was wondering can we (lebanese) sink any lower?????"

clearly, the aishti banner was sarcastic about the "I love campaign and 14 march exclusively. That annoyed MX9 cause he supports the ruling majority (and that’s ok and it’s not my point here). Moreover, aishti being an over-expensive brand (we'll leave now money laundry aside) is just a well representative for after war down-town beirut.

Now, kerbaj is clearly doing the same but also criticizing the opposition (although it's been done in an HA-mouthpiece as al-akhbar is referred to by many lebanese bloggers). That is ok with mX9 cause the guy criticized both?? I mean kerbaj still say he "doesn't love life", no??

Is it ok for kerbaj to do that and "we luv" it because he is neutral, aka. harmless to our (not urs mX9 – generally speaking) political p but it is not ok for an opposition to do that?


on another issue, Del plz attach link to kerbaj's blog just to give him a credit.

Now the discussion about whether the drawing is a nice artwork is something else. Personally, I don't consider it carrying a very smart idea. I have been receiving "2refna" spamming emails since like a month ago, and one of them is posted on blogging beirut.

Again and again,
The heart/not heart thing is a simplistic silly way to categorize people (that's what kerbaj tried to say). Guys if u wanna make something effective out of this thing why don't you discuss the main subject behind that: the "jihadism" (jomblatian death) concept. or even the way the sects deal between other sociologically speaking (jomblation culture of sorrow). There is a very interesting small booklet by Ogharitte Younein about such things stating how the phrases each sect uses against the other shows a sociological judjement. If you had the chance get it and make a review.. many things can be done instead of falling into this classifying-media way of treating the things.

As for me, whom I support politically that's a different issue. However, it can't be summarized by saying-yes-all-the-way
regards,

 
At Friday, January 19, 2007 4:28:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

correction:
Is it ok for kerbaj to do that and "we luv" it because he is neutral, aka. harmless to our (not urs mX9 – generally speaking) political plans but it is not ok for an opposition to do that?

 
At Friday, January 19, 2007 4:40:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

and for non arabic readers, the translation from kerbaj's blog:


i do not
LOVE LIFE

and i do not
LOVE COLORS

and i do not
LOVE BLACK AND WHITE

and i do not even
LOVE grey

and i do not
LOVE ANYTHING AND ANYONE

is it possible that me also
WE WANT TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY

 
At Saturday, January 20, 2007 4:55:00 PM, Blogger MMMMMMMMM said...

Enlightened Hillz,

First even though i support the march 14, and the the "I love Life" campaign seperatly (since it was not the march 14 group who lunched the I love life campaign), that does not force me not to like any other point of view, especially one artistic poster! In fact what i liked about the poster is its artistic design above all, and the fact that we are fed up of all those stupid campaigns. Yes I say stupid because the opposition and its flooding bilboards simply arrafouna both ads.

Second i do not know who this kerbaj is, and i am not intersted to know, because regardless of his political affiliation he has done something artisticly worth luving! Third what if he was pro march 8 (assuming he was)? so are you saying that you will not give credit to artistic pieces done by someone who sympathizes with march 14??? hmmmmmm i wonder!

Fourth: If kerbaj wanted only to criticize march 14, then why did he even refer to the "colors"!

As for the Aishti thing. Well FYI did you know that the leaders of the opposition are Aishiti's best clients? (I can provide you with a very long list, and perhaps the frequency and the amount of money they throw at Aishti), but i think it is a very stupid thing to do because Aishti is not part of the politcal game and people's taste and shopping habbits are not of our business... which takes us back to the previous post and it's insignificance! furthermore did you know that the #1 salameh brother (owner of Aishti is Aounist? even the sister and the father are!) As for the money laundring hehehe come on, i think that the opposition does not have clear history in money laundring (not defending the pro- aoun-aishti)! but how do you classify the money that came from iran directly to HA???


Finally yes we are open minded and we do like certain things done by the other clan or any other person in this country!

 
At Saturday, January 20, 2007 6:26:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

mx9,
re -read my comment. ur points are totally irrelevant.
and i was respectful in my comment. no need for using "enlightened".

 
At Saturday, January 20, 2007 6:59:00 PM, Blogger MMMMMMMMM said...

Hillz, "enlightened" is not a curse nor a disrespectful word, i used it for a specific purpose and it is not to insult you in anyway (if you re-read my comment you would know why)... so take it easy... moreover I did read your comment (several times actually), and i believe that my comment was relevant! if you think that i did not get your cooment right, would you PLEASE explain it further...

 
At Saturday, January 20, 2007 7:01:00 PM, Blogger MMMMMMMMM said...

".. and I am lost here.. some people sated that they like it and they support the "I Love life" campaign.. keef? " how do you interpret this sentence??

 
At Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:04:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

- First the way you dealt with it: if somebody argued about the content of the post and the reactions to it, he’ll be asked about the clean money and the divine victory 3a shway and his opinion about FPM.
- Yes, In the start the I love campaign was not declared as a 14 march move. But then consequent moves, you as a 14 march supporter proved that it WAS a 14 march move (not only u I mean the whole internet is flood with such analogies and posts).
- Ofcourse I will give credit to some artistic projects even if they are done by 14 march supporters. I mean I still like some a7mad qa3bour’s musical work or Tania sale7’s song despite their political opinions.. I was just referring to the trend towards al-akhbar in the Lebanese blogosphere from 14 march supporters. In fact we have to give credit to the newspaper that had the courage to do some self criticism from time to time. So, sorry here if you thought it was directed towards you.
- “Fourth: If kerbaj wanted only to criticize march 14, then why did he even refer to the "colors"!”. You seem here not to read my comment. What I said is that kerbaj is neutral or atleast that what its drawing tells (although published in an “HA mouthpiece”)
- Aishti is as i told u. u mixed between many things, who did the aishti banner did not declare he was supporting the opposition. Being disgusted from a simplistic way of classification, doesn’t make him a supporter of the other campaign. now whether who buys or owns aishti is an aounist, that doesn't stop it from being an over-expensive trademark, and won't take the money laundry accusation about it. moreover, i was doing an analogy. aishti is a good representative for the after-war downtown if compared with the pre-70 downtown. There were poor or let’s say not highclass streets in some parts of the downtown. But now? It is just a representative of the new culture (is it a culture??). you know, not a single theatre or cultural center is found in the new downtown (mind you amideast and spanish centers are not considered cultural if u got my point).
- -“Finally yes we are open minded and we do like certain things done by the other clan or any other person in this country!”. WE??? Again, I didn’t question ur Love to something different done by other clan. Bottom line, you loved something whose content contradicts with ur belief about the “I Love life” as a “Genuine add”.
- ".. and I am lost here.. some people sated that they like it and they support the "I Love life" campaign.. keef? "
- Well, u stated in ur blog about the I LOVE LIFE add:
“The Genuine Ad that caused a lot troubles for the opposition... So simple, so untainted!”. Others have links on their blogs as well or wrote about it. It is not something exclusive to you. Again the point is, whether the streets were flood or not by these adds after the opposition try, that changes nothing in the subject. You are supporter of the idea: “I love life”. That’s where we differ. I find it a simplistic add. And usually I hate simplifications since the reality is much complex than we think it is . moreover, the first drawback of our politicians is that they are simplistic. The main topic is: u said luv it . u implied that u agree on its content. Why I understood now from ur comment is that u like ONLY the artistic style in it, but you don’t agree on the content? I mean do you agree that the I LOVE LIFE add is simplistic now? (cause that what kerbaj’s drawing is implying).

Ok I elaborated my points the best I can. I won’t go further into discussion not that it’s not worth it (cause it is spread to cover different topics now), but I have some work deadlines to stick to and u know deadlines :)
- I still didn’t get the significance of using “enlightened” if it is not for dis-respect or at least teasing :D, well I started to follow the advice of a fellow blogger to lower the teasing issue as most as possible and sticking to discussions :)

 
At Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:28:00 PM, Blogger MMMMMMMMM said...

Hillz,

Okay first i have observed some smileys in your comment. Assuming they are sincere this indicates your willing to release the tension, and i guess you are right and this is the best way to go.

Long comment (read it all though ;)) but let us stick to the essential. Again i doubt that kerbaj's point was to imply that the I love life campaign was simplistic.. anyway this is subjective perhaps we can ask him.

As for the Aishti thing "Aishti is as i told u. u mixed between many things, who did the aishti banner did not declare he was supporting the opposition" If you go to http://iheartcapitalism.wordpress.com/

you can see what the guy supports although there is not a HA flag nor an FPM sticker, anyway.... never ending discussion

Now as for the enlightened, clear and simple, because of your comment ".. and I am lost here.. some people sated that they like it and they support the "I Love life" campaign.. keef? " I concluded that in your opinion someone is not allowed to love something dine by....(you know the end to this sentence). And in my opinion this is a narrow minded view, which is the opposit of open minded (synonym for enlightened). My purpose was sarcastic not insulting!! But if this was not what you meant, then it's ok sorry for the sarcasm!


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At Saturday, January 20, 2007 8:29:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hillz, I have one bit of advice for you: take a chill pill.
...Your life would be so much easier!

It's just a frigging drawing made by a caricaturist to make fun of the current situation and state what most of us are thinking: that we're FED UP with it.

Mish mouhimm if it was published in Al Akhbar, mish mouhimm if the leaf of the heart of the original 'I love life' is also drawn on the multicolored version, mish mouhimm iza Mazen Kerbaj ibno la Antoine Kerbaj, mish mouhimm shoo trawwa2na mberi7 el dohor.

Hayde issma artistic expression, just look at it, take it for what it simply is, enjoy the colors, take a deep breath, and re-laxxx.

 
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