28.7.05

مار الياس مراد

المقال التّالي نُشر اليوم في صحيفة المستقبل، بقلم يحيى جابر. بما إنو بعد ما حكينا هون بهل موضوع، إنتو شو رأيكن بموضوع الاعتذارات هيدا؟

الاستاذ الياس مراد رئيس تحرير جريدة "البعث" يطالب اللبنانيين بالاعتذار، ويدعو إلى رفض التعامل أو استقبال أي من أولئك الذين حرّضوا أو شتموا أو اساؤوا إلى سوريا وشعبها وقياداتها.
ها أنذا أول المعتذرين، وبالنيابة عن شعب 14 آذار أقول سامحوني والله يلعنّي دنيا وآخرة، مدوا لي الفلقة، التوبة، ما عاد عيدها، يا معلمتي، ارجوك، ريتني موت حين فكّرت ان لبنان أولاً للبنانيين، وخصوصاً المغتربين منهم. ما تواخذوني، نحن شعب حيوانات مفترسة لولاكم لما تروّضنا وعدنا الى جنس بني آدم. نحن الامازونيين آكلو لحوم العروبة وناكرو جميل، شرشِحونا، لأنه لحم اكتافنا من خيركم. نحن بلا أصل، قليلو الوفاء، الله يبعتلنا سرطان وسل وكل الأمراض المخفية، لأننا تجرأنا على قول لبنان بلد عربي مستقل.
الله يكسّر دياتي لأنني حملت علمي اللبناني ورفرفته، وأن الشال الاحمر والابيض ليس سوى خرقة، شرطوطة سأبللها بالكاز وأحرق حالي من العاقورة للناقورة؟الله يوقف نموي، وغداً سنطالب بالانسحاب من عضويتنا من الأمم المتحدة، ومن الجامعة العربية، ومن كل المنظمات الدولية بصفتنا دولة مستقلة. الله يزلعمني، ويزلعم كل صوت نادى بشوية سيادة، وحرية، وريتني أنا وعم آكل تبولة، غصّ بحبة برغل أو تعلق ورقة بقدونس بسقف حلقي وأتشردق!
ما تزعلوا، سنطالب برحيل كل المواطنين الذين شاركوا وهتفوا حباً بالجمهورية، ونصبح جالية لبنانية في لبنان!
اعزلوني فأنا جربان بالحرية.Pardon، يا معلمتي، حين رفعت صوتي واصبعي وشاغبت في الصف القومي! حطينا بغرفة الجراذين وادهني آذاننا باللبن، حتى نتربى، ربّونا! قاصصونا ركعونا بالزاوية، بالقرنة، اعزلونا اقطعوا المصروف عنا.
ريتني موت، حين فكرت يوماً، ان أعمل حصر إرث للجمهورية التي ورثتها عن اجدادي، فقامت القيامة، حسناً، سأشطب اسمي وحقي من السجل العقاري للأمم المتحدة،... ها أنذا اتنازل عن حصتي من الجغرافيا والتاريخ، المهم ما تزعلوا. اقبل مني توبتي يا مارالياس مراد".

35 Comments:

At Thursday, July 28, 2005 10:44:00 AM, Blogger Delirious said...

Eve, you used to post better articles min zamein :P

 
At Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:52:00 PM, Blogger Eve said...

Well, sorry to have caused you disappointment, dear! Hope that won't keep you from sharing with us your answer to my above-mentioned question.

 
At Thursday, July 28, 2005 6:01:00 PM, Blogger Delirious said...

لم تخيبي ظني يا عزيزتي... إلا إذا كنت أنت مؤلفة النص ! ;)
أما بالنسبة لسؤالك، فلن أطلعك على أمر جديد إذا قلت لك أنني لا زلت أضحككككككككككككك كلما ذكّرني أحد عن هذا الطلب بالاعتذار! إنني أعتبرها أفضل نكتة سمعتها منذ زمن طويل!!

 
At Thursday, July 28, 2005 7:26:00 PM, Blogger Eve said...

الأمر يضحك فعلاً. ولكن خلافاً لك، وجدت أنّ النّص يصوّر، بحدّته السّاخرة وفكاهته السّوداء وطريقته الدّقيقة في إصابة الهدف، حجمَ المهزلة التي يشكّلها طلب الاعتذار. لسعدتُ بنفسي لو كنت من كتبه.

 
At Thursday, July 28, 2005 8:17:00 PM, Blogger La Bona said...

Uhmmm ...you got me thinking about that huh?

Nice blog … Keep it up.

By the way, do you think Christianity is a cult?

If you have an opinion on the subject, please do email me. Alternately, you may want to check it out at the forum

Cheers.

 
At Friday, July 29, 2005 12:40:00 AM, Blogger زهرمان البخاري said...

لقد تضايق الناس فعلاً في سوريا من أسلوب المظاهرات التي بدا العديد منها و كأنه موجه ضد الشعب السوري.
لقد كرهوا رؤية علمهم يمزق و يهان و يدنس في ساحات لبنان.
كان هناك العديد من الشباب السوري المعارض للوجود السوري بهذه الطريقة, و لكن بعد المظاهرات غير الكثيرون رأيهم.
و لكن الحقيقة هي أن الشعب البناني يجهل تماماً حقيقة سورية كبلد و شعب, بل و أن معظمهم يملك أفكاراً عنصرية ضد السوريين و التي ولدت حتى قبل ولادة الحرب الأهلية.
أنا فعلاً أطالب الشعب اللبناني من الإعتذار من الشعب السوري.
فأنا مواطن لا قوة لي بأية قرار تتخذه حكومتي و مع ذلك تعرضت للضرب و الإهانة و التشهير من شعب كان قبل كل شيء سورياً و لكن بنكهة أكثر انفتاحاً.

 
At Friday, July 29, 2005 9:32:00 AM, Blogger Eve said...

زهرمان: لقد حاول اللّبنانيّون تحقيق مطلبهم بالحسنى (أو بالتي هي أحسن) ولكن اتّضح أنّ الحقّ أحياناً لا يؤخذ إلا بالقوّة. كيف تطالب الحكومة السّورية بالاعتذار، وفي سجونها يقبع أعدادٌ هائلة من اللّبنانيّين الذين ما يزالون يتلقون التّعذيب كلّ يوم؟ وهل تنوي أن تطلقهم يوماً؟ أنعتذر منها لأنّها احتلّتنا وأردنا نحن أن نكون أسياد نفسنا؟ ما دمنا نتحدّث عن الاعتذار، لمَ لا تبادر هي أوّلاً إلى التّأسّف على الناس الذين أُهينوا على يدها أثناء الحرب؟ لا أقول إنّ اللّبنانيّين لم يكونوا مذنبين في حقّ أنفسهم في تلك الأيّام، فأيدي الجميع ملطّخة بالدّماء. لكن تصوير سوريا لنفسها على أنّها الفارس المنقذ الذي انتشل لبنان من الضّلال، ومطالبتها على هذا الأساس بالاعتذار، أمرٌ مضحك.
المظاهرات لم تكن موجّهة ضدّ الشّعب السّوريّ (الذي نحترمه كأيّ شعبٍ آخر) بل ضدّ الوجود السوري، لكن لا يخلو الأمر، في كلّ حالة، من عناصر تخلط الحابل بالنّابل.

 
At Friday, July 29, 2005 2:18:00 PM, Blogger Tempest said...

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At Friday, July 29, 2005 2:20:00 PM, Blogger Tempest said...

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At Friday, July 29, 2005 3:12:00 PM, Blogger Tempest said...

Zahraman, give me a fucking break. I didn't see the syrian flag being burnt in the protests. Your dear country invaded, occupied, drained, and almost massacred my country. You may be sheep, but we Lebanese are not. You may be swayed by your regime's propaganda, but we Lebanese are not.

Allow me to introduce you to a simple concept. Protests. Not FOR (as you are extremely talented at and experienced in) but AGAINST a regime.

Apologize to you?

I will do that once you apologize for the thousands of our people that you murdered.

I will do that once you apologize for the 50 officers of the Lebanese army you murdered in cold blood after they had surrendered.

I will apologize once you appologize for Bashir Gemayel, Renee Mouawwad, Rafic Hariri et al.

I will apologize once you release the prisoners that you've held in your prisons for years.

I will apologize you return all the money you stole. I will apologize once all your compatriots pay taxes when they work in Lebanon. I will apologize once YOU and YOUR FELLOW SHEEP apologize to every single person that was shoved, abused, hit, spat at, mocked, and disrespected at each of your checkpoints


Actually, screw you. I don't think I will apologize even then.

We are Syrians? That dream of yours is gone for good. Now, before you come here and preach, I say grow a pair and go look after your country.

 
At Friday, July 29, 2005 4:18:00 PM, Blogger Eve said...

زهرمان: أريد أن أحيلك إلى خبر نُشر اليوم في الصّحف، وأخبرني إذا كان هذا يستحقّ الاعتذار منّا:
http://www.almustaqbal.com/stories.aspx?StoryID=133244


Didn't you just published a post about insults Tempest? state your arguments the way you want, but things like "screw you" will not be accepted.

 
At Friday, July 29, 2005 5:53:00 PM, Blogger Delirious said...

Zahraman, you have to be kidding (or living in a parallel universe)! First of all, no one ever said anything about the Syrian people. It's the Syrian REGIME we're against, as much I'm sure as most of your fellow countrymen.

You are one of the rare Syrians I've met who are outraged by our outburst. All the others support the Lebanese call for independence because, simply, they are fed up with their own rulers. The Syrian people is a wonderful people, but not when they are 'tamed' like you...only when they are left to express their own opinion.

Newsflash: Lebanon and its people were never, are not, and will never be part of Syria.

Maybe you saw Syrian flags being burned in your parallel universe, or maybe in your own country, because it didn't happen elsewhere.

I won't remind you of all the ordeals the Lebanese suffered on the hands of the Syrians (just read Tempest's and Eve's enumeration), but please know that nothing the Syrian regime does from now till the end of time will compensate for all those vile unspeakable acts.

Shame on you for asking for apologies. Shame on you for supporting such a twisted regime. But in the end, poor you, because you will never know the taste of freedom...

PS: My deepest apologies to my fellow Lebanese for stooping so low as to actually reply to these ludicrous demands.

 
At Friday, July 29, 2005 8:07:00 PM, Blogger زهرمان البخاري said...

Now just a minute, what did I do to you?
Am I a secret police member? Or a governor?
C'mon I'm just a citizen, and rather you like it or not, people here didn't really like it to make us involved in a case that we don't have any control of.
I mean did you hear once that OUR people decided to invade you country?
You are living in heaven comparing to us and then you blame us(the pple)! Have you ever tried to live under communist-like regime for more than 30 years??

You said that the protests were only against the government but even your replies were against Syrian people in general: tempest said it was us who stole and killed and … but I think he was talking about the army.
I wasn't involved in that nor my parents and nor one member of my family..

Delirious, I'm sorry but you can't always hear what you want to hear.
If I don't agree with you that doesn't mean that I am a tamed guy! Heh…
I never said I supported the regime, you didn't read my first post well…
Anyway I'm not the only one that have such idea:
http://hunadimashq.blogspot.com/
scenes from Beirut.

And about the country yeah, it was a part of Syria but I never wanted it to be now a part of Syria because you don't deserve to be a part of ruined country… you really deserve better.

And Tempest take off that cigarette it really sucks. And your language sucks too.

 
At Friday, July 29, 2005 8:50:00 PM, Blogger زهرمان البخاري said...

oh eve i didn't ask you to apologies from our government, i just wanted one for our people.
there is a difference i think...

yeah did you see how dumb they are in treating Lebanese people.. god..

 
At Friday, July 29, 2005 9:02:00 PM, Blogger Tempest said...

True eve, I appologize. Although it's a habit of mine to use expletives, when I said 'screw you' I didn't really mean 'screw you zahraman', I meant something to the effect of 'aww come on zahraman'.

I'm like the priests of our dear Maronite church, I guess, they preach chastity and nail the choir girls (or altar boys) later on that day ;)

Zahraman, we WERE living in heaven. You're regime scr- i mean, 'aww come on'ed it up for us. Besides, the government represents the country (not literally, in your case), so when we say "'aww come on' Syria", we really mean "'aww come on' Baathist regime controlling Syria and lead by the Assad clan". Sadly, if you know anything about the media, such a slogan is impractical.

Also, it's not our fault that your country is run by 'communists' (although the word you're looking for is 'totalitarian'), it's not our fault that you're way behind in the race of civilizations. Don't bring that into the mix. (and also, it serves to show that we ARE different).

As for the apologies, like I said. That's a very childish, and extremely naive request (sort of like arresting fisherman and blocking borders... rings a bell?). If you claim to be an educated citizen living under an oppresive regime, you should be smarter than that.

Otherwise, once YOU, the people, start to echo your government's ridiculous demands, you're game, just as they are, in my humble opinion.

 
At Friday, July 29, 2005 9:21:00 PM, Blogger زهرمان البخاري said...

i'm not mixing, but but your last replies gave me an idea that you don't have an clear idea about us!
to make you understand what i exactly meant, you should only know that when you can discuss a matter in your country, in mine i can not even open my mounth, only the latest few years we could open our mouth but as it should be.
when many people accusing us as people to be the wakad , i wanted them to know that most of us were also victims.
i really blieve in greater Syria, but not in such situation at all and not in such political envirnoment.
anyway i don't think my smartness can be evaluated by someone like you! Dahh

 
At Friday, July 29, 2005 9:28:00 PM, Blogger زهرمان البخاري said...

ops i meant the wicked!! sorry, but that what happens when the whole family starts to nag around yoiur head..

 
At Friday, July 29, 2005 9:34:00 PM, Blogger Amr Faham said...

i can agree with Zahraman in some points of view, but i think he's exaggerating in asking you to apologies from us.
tempate you really need to take off that cigarette!! haha, it's not healthy at all.

 
At Friday, July 29, 2005 9:42:00 PM, Blogger Tempest said...

Again and again. I'm 'sorry' that you have it so bad in your country, z-man, but it's not our fault. And it's no reason for me to apologize to you. pity you, maybe.

 
At Saturday, July 30, 2005 2:31:00 AM, Blogger Amr Faham said...

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At Saturday, July 30, 2005 9:18:00 AM, Blogger Firas said...

Zahraman, maybe instead of being offended, maybe decent Syrians need to come to Lebanon and use the relative freedom there to exchange ideas on how your country can be saved. If you don't like how people see Syria because of its government, do something about it instead of whining and blaming Lebanese and Americans and Israelis and Allah w malakootoh. Take responsibility for your own country. You'll find a lot of hospitality in Lebanon for those who are decent people from any nation, but the thugs that control your country will never set foot in Lebanon again. Never.

 
At Saturday, July 30, 2005 10:57:00 AM, Blogger زهرمان البخاري said...

amr, i will talk to you later!

tempest, i was talking about something else please consentrate when you read my comments..

firas, i'm sorry to say that you movement wasn't a good sample for us, because it was led by the same war creators and most of who attacked the syrian regime were slaves for the regime during the last 25 years!
but in the other hand we respect the way most of lebanese are open-minded toward the western life, and the way they mix between arabic spirit and the western spirit, although you exaggerate somehow in doing so.
we and many friends felt sorry for the way you were treated, but we are most sure that you could hurt your country again if your regime kept sectarian.

 
At Saturday, July 30, 2005 4:25:00 PM, Blogger Tempest said...

Don't generalize. Aoun has been against your regime for years. As has the LF. The Ahrar. The National Bloc. etc. Joumblatt never liked you: YOU KILLED HIS FATHER!

Hariri also never totally liked the way you went about doing things, and his murder finally mobilized the Sunni street into activism. Then we kicked you out.

Who knows, we might return to war. Fortunately, it's our choice, and NONE of your business what we do with our country. You and your friends stick to cheering the Assad clan, ok?

I'm afraid not much concentration is required to read your threads.

Exagerate? None of your business. Again.

/me traipses off to read up on Lebanese news from the websites of our free, open-minded, newspapers... tadaa.

 
At Saturday, July 30, 2005 10:10:00 PM, Blogger Firas said...

At least we HAVE differences. We're not one boring monolithic flock kept homogenious and at bay by -again- thugs. If I choose to fight Tempest because he's christian and I'm muslim, I think it should remain an insider affair.

أنا و أخي على ابن عمّي،و أنا و ابن عمي على غريب.

To their credit, the Syrian regime did what no one had done before in Lebanon, unite people in hating them. On March 14, 35% of the ENTIRE population of Lebanon took the streets not because they are racists or because they are more westernized or because they think they are better than everybody else. They went to the streets because they were fed up. Zahraman, stop defending the regime that's shafting you before it even shafted us.

The fact that my parents are muslim and that one of my grandparents is syrian and that I'm proud of both Lebanese and Arab identities and that I may differ with Tempest (AND LIMINAL for that matter) on a lot of issues... all that does not change my opinion that I think that the Syrian government is the one that owes Lebanon a huge apology and reparations for years of plunder and looting and rape, all in the name of "brotherly" assistance.

 
At Saturday, July 30, 2005 10:40:00 PM, Blogger Tempest said...

don't call me christian. That would be a fallacy :)

Otherwise, I'm right behind you.
bit2alle3?

 
At Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:40:00 AM, Blogger Firas said...

The truth of an "if... then..." statement like (p => q) does not mean that the left part (p) is true. All in the hypothetical, khayyi. Similarly, notice my nuanced "my parents are muslim" statement.

>bit2alle3?

yalla, bass like they say in tareek jdeedeh, 'barmit douleb il almani gheir sheekal'

 
At Sunday, July 31, 2005 2:12:00 AM, Blogger زهرمان البخاري said...

wllahi i never liked to dive into your bloody history..
you talked about returning to war like you were talking about going to a party!! is that in your blood??
anyway nice to meet you guys, i hope you will change your mind someday and get down from your mounts to dicover the reality of your neighbors!
and firas your granpa is a Syrian?
haha all the lebanese are originally Syirans, they didn't come from another planet (Kripton, is not your planet, it is earth)
and mar maron was a syrian too!!
and:
ya reit el marajel te6la3 3ala wa7ed gheiry :)

 
At Sunday, July 31, 2005 2:56:00 AM, Blogger Firas said...

You're right, maybe Lebanese are originally Syrians. But they were the Syrians who couldn't stand living there so bad that they looked for the highest mountains nearby to climb and get away.

I'm kidding!... well sort of.

Personally, I'm not a phoenician from the mountain. I'm from a merchant family in a coastal city.

Wait... whaa?!

 
At Sunday, July 31, 2005 4:51:00 AM, Blogger Tempest said...

Mt. Lebanon has been there for thousands of years. Don't go shoving your non-existant history down our throats...

You want to go back further, your books of religion say that you are all descendant of Sam... meaning you are cousins to the... wait for it... JEWS! Traitors!

You decide how far back you want to look, and I'll discuss history then.

Firas, true, true tise3ta3shet, titanium, 3ala troi vingt-cinq mnaffakha ;)

 
At Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:59:00 PM, Blogger raf* said...

z-

neither the concept of a "lebanese" nor "syrian" nation existed before the (late) 19th century. identity is a tricky subject - national identity even more so...

i strongly advise everyone to think thrice before starting a "you are one of us - no, we aren't" debate... we are all interrelated and everyone of us has skeletons in the genetical closet.

in the end, it doesn't actually matter what part of real estate was ruled by which dynasty at what period in time, or who adopted whose language/religion/hummus recipe ... we live RIGHT NOW & not in 1960 or 1920 or the 19th cent. or the 16th or at the time of the old testament.

and right now there is a country called "lebanon", which is a member state of the u.n. in its borders of 24 october 1945 (when it was one of the founding members of the u.n.), just as there are countries called "syria", and jordan, and israel (also a member of the u.n. - in its borders as of 11 may 1949 - that's post-nakba & pre-67 war for the non-initiated) ... oh yeah, and there's pretty much unanimous agreement that there will be a state called "palestine" on the territory of the gaza strip & the west bank incl. some part of jerusalem.

that's the reality NOW. maybe at some point the borders change, maybe states merge, maybe states split into smaller pieces. it happened before. it is happening in other parts of the world as i am typing this. or maybe none of that'll happen in "our" region.

but that will have to occur on the basis of a voluntary decision by the citizens of the territory/ies in question & not by the military taking-over of one country by another.

ps: has anyone else read the account of a lebanese in a syrian jail that was posted on www.syriacomment.com? i find it totally believable - but is there ANY way to establish a source that would be generally recognized? like a respected journalist or something? that would be necessary to use the account in public & to refute any "that's made up - this never happened" remarks...

--raf*

 
At Monday, August 01, 2005 10:28:00 AM, Blogger زهرمان البخاري said...

i totally agree with you, and by the way i never liked the way our army behave in your country.
see you soon guys in a better environment and better national "mood".
all i was trying to consentrait about is not mixing between US and the ARMY. and since everyone are claiming so, i think that i have nothing to do here under this topic.

 
At Monday, August 01, 2005 2:18:00 PM, Blogger Tempest said...

/me pulls z-man back in.

I now equate you to your government, brother. I didn't, before, but once you came in here defending them, that's it. When I criticize Syria, I mean the Asad clan, their cronies and zahraman.

 
At Monday, August 01, 2005 2:47:00 PM, Blogger Eve said...

Yes, Zahraman. Most of us do not mix between the Syrian army and the people. I know this conversation wasn't easy for both parties, but thx everyone for trying.

 
At Monday, August 01, 2005 5:44:00 PM, Blogger زهرمان البخاري said...

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At Monday, August 01, 2005 5:49:00 PM, Blogger زهرمان البخاري said...

thanks eve, thanks everybody!

tempest you're really clever!
after all my comments is that what you concluded! wallahi bhanny ahlak feek!

 

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