25.7.06

...from an Israeli newspaper

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/738739.html

5 Comments:

At Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:57:00 AM, Blogger Akiva M said...

ash,

just for some context, among others the article paints amir peretz with its "bully" brush. Who is Amir Peretz?

"In matters concerning relations with the Palestinians and the Arab world, PERETZ HOLDS DOVISH POSITIONS. He was AN EARLY MEMBER OF THE PEACE NOW MOVEMENT. He was also, in the 1980s, a member of a group of eight Labour party Knesset members, dubbed "the Eight" and led by Yossi Beilin, who tried to set a liberal agenda for the party in matters concerning the peace process with the Palestinians. Peretz connects between the peace process and internal Israeli social issues. He believes that the unresolved conflict with the Palestinians has also been a hindrance to the solution of some of Israel's most pressing social ills, such as rising inequality. He sees the resources allotted to the settlements in the West Bank as having diverted funds that could have helped to solve these problems. He has described the conflict as having mutated Israeli politics, so that the traditional left-right distinctions do not hold: Instead of supporting a social-democratic left which would advance their cause, the lower classes, mostly of Middle Eastern Jewish origins, were diverted to the right by the fanning of nationalist tendencies. Concurrently the left in Israel was usurped by the well-to-do, so that the Labour party had ironically become elitist. That is why Peretz sees an intrinsic connection between a solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the resolving of Israel's internal social tensions (see Interview in Ha'aretz)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Peretz

When a man like this - a man who has constantly called for peace, who has run on a platform of peace, who was an early follower of Beilin, who lives in Sderot (constant civillian target of Palestinian rockets) yet held off on army action despite the danger to his own community - is leading the charge against Hezbollah, it should tell you something.

 
At Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:45:00 AM, Blogger n1x said...

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At Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:46:00 AM, Blogger n1x said...

Yes it should tell you that every time you see moron hezballah supporter burning israeli flags that peace is not on their mind and with every rocket that kills another "civilian" you're actually helping more than hurting. Really, it's funny because when people cry about civilian casualties the general context is to kill people who are not involved in anyway, not arab girls who appear on the news at 8 telling you they want to join Hezballah when they get older. That tells you to kill more future terrorists, not kill poor little civilian children.

The fact of the matter is, since the Lebanese people have such a hard time understanding why no one cares about their civilian deaths, is simple, no one sees those kids as civilians. Sure seeing a dead 8 year old body brings goose-bumps to most people, but when it's then followed by an interview of some kid claiming his life to hezballah at such a young age, you begin to judge how important the life of a future terrorist is?

 
At Tuesday, July 25, 2006 3:32:00 PM, Blogger Akiva M said...

n1x - STFU. There's never a justification for deliberately killing a child, or any civillian. Never.

And when you say crap like that, you demonstrate exactly what bothers you when arab terrorists kill civillians - not that civillians are dying, but that the civillians are Israeli, and the killers are arab. You aren't angry about civillian death (though you may think you are) you are angry about arabs. And a hypocrite.

The same thing, btw, goes for any of the bloggers on here who castigate the IDF for killing civillians but can't bring themselves to criticize Hezbollah for targeting civillians and attempting to maximize civillian casualties. You aren't upset at civillian death, your problem isn't the loss of innocent life - your problem is just that it's Israel doing the killing.

You want the world to take notice of your complaints? Condemn Hezbollah, demand that Hezbollah stop what it's doing, rally against Hezbollah - then you'll have the credibility that will allow the rest of the world to take you seriously.

But as long as you keep making clear that your real problem is simply Israel, you may as well be screaming into the desert for all the good it will do.

 
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