30.11.05

HA asks for full partnership in the cabinet, should we ask them the same?

Several officials from hizb Alla are asking to be be treated as full partners in the cabinet, and that the decisions to be taken inside the cabinet be taken in accordance and with the approval of all parties in it; including HA.

Tayeb if I assume that asking for full partnership is the right of HA; then is'nt asking HA that we be FULL partners with HA in the war/peace decision logical?

ya3ne should'nt ALL of us also have a saying in when and how to fire rockets at Israel?

If HA want the right to be full partners in the cabinet, we should also have the same right in being full partners in the resistance decisions.

12 Comments:

At Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:11:00 PM, Blogger Ghassan said...

First, I agree that HA should "give" something in return for FULL partnership which I think should be his use of his weapons! HA should not be allowed to use his weapons whenever wants to unless it is in the act of defense against OUTSIDERS ONLY!

Secondly, the Cabinet members are representated according to its constituents. HA has some votes but not 50% of the votes! The Cabinet is and should be controlled by the majority not by consensus otherwise nothing will be done!

 
At Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:08:00 PM, Blogger Assaad said...

The defence of Lebanon is the job of the lebanese army.
HA did his job to free d south and is not authorizing Israel to attack Lebanon whenever Sharon wants (Look to what's happening to the palestinian everyday!).
For sure, HA roles must be trasnformed to a full political party without weapons or any arms. That's why the lebanese governement must push on this way to clear the file.

As for sharing the decision when to attack an israelian tank when it crosses the lebanese borders, it is not possible i think.

On the other hand, if HA ministers can't take part in the decisions of the cabinet than it is better for them to resign and stay out.
I agree, in a democratical process, majority speaks!
Peace

 
At Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:15:00 AM, Blogger zwixo said...

...not to forget the contradiction of actually being in the government and a southern "resistance".

 
At Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:08:00 PM, Blogger Assaad said...

Well there is an alliance between Moustaqbal and Amal, HA, Isthiraqieh, etc...!
It means that they must take part in all the decisions. Thta's what coallition means in governements.
I think, there are too much alliances in the Cabinet!

 
At Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:33:00 PM, Blogger francois said...

this consencus government was an error, it is weakening the state.

as was saying a doc on arte (french and german arte) la constitution libanaise favorise un etat mou.

how long lebanese can support it ?
they already paid it through one civil war and by being manipulated by the syrian through the occupation for more then the last 30 years since the cairo deal , from 69.

the government of consencus never ended the civil war
the government of concensus postponed the end of the war.


if the people vote for a majority, it is for a program to be applied and not to prostitute itself by accomodating their policy.

besides that in a democratie there is an alternance.

this government should be overthrow to make lebanon progressing and reforming itself.
this country really need it

 
At Saturday, December 03, 2005 4:14:00 PM, Blogger Jamal said...

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the thing with HA is a solution for the war and peace decision making has to come internally, and negotiations are ongoing within the coalition of 4 parties as well as between HA and FPM. HA will not and rightfully so just agree to give up all the progress they've accomplished in the south because the UN/US says so. That would be a tremendous injustice to 30 years of struggle and progress in south lebanon.

 
At Saturday, December 03, 2005 5:55:00 PM, Blogger zwixo said...

Jamal, when you say 30 years of struggle and progress in the south; please try to back it up with examples.

Yes the Israelis left the South FIVE years ago. Good Job Hezbollah, we were all happy when Israel left Lebanon. Even though I think is all the Lebanese got Israel out together would be a LOT better.

Before the withdrawal, the South had 24hrs electricity, water, well asphalted roads, jobs, agriculture... unfortunately under the control of an enemy nation. So in 2000, we take back our beloved South, and since then, it's all misery. Should we blame hezbollah, No. We should blame our government. But amidst all this, what is the progress Hezbollah made in the South? He's a "threat" to Israel. Israel has to "think twice" before invading us again. Why shouldn't we have a great army that will make Israel "think twice" before invading us, and remove the ridiculous fact that only the Shias are defending Lebanon from Israel. Where is this progress HA accomplished, please do tell Jamal.

 
At Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:31:00 PM, Blogger francois said...

israel wouldnt have any excuse to invade lebanon again if the hezbollah was not existing now

hezbollah did a marvellous job , but the lebanese government was inexistant at that time.

however now , time has changed , we should build a country of rights and not a country of free weapon.

i hope the hezbollah will give it its weapons and transform itself to a mature political party even if it has a social action through the work of its social institutions.

why israel has invaded lebanon ? bcz there were threats to its north border by the palestinians in the 70's. here i have to add that Israeliens orthodow jews tried to implement a colony in the 80's but the israelien government dismanteled it by itself , claiming it cannot occupy that land as they always claimed that they were not there for occupation but for protection.

now lebanon has the chance to be again independant and hopefully to have again a place in the world by itself.
if there is a threat to its neighbours who ever are theses nieghbours , i dont believe the international community would allow any country to have a milicia. this includes lebanon as well.

sheba'a farms can be liberated but not by using the strenghts. they can be liberated by using by diplomatic means since we have again an independant executive power in lebanon. hezbollah had a historical past for its milicia that is gr8 but the time has changed and we have to look to the future.

 
At Saturday, December 03, 2005 9:33:00 PM, Blogger francois said...

sorry i was meaning : a country free of weapons ;)

 
At Monday, December 05, 2005 12:56:00 PM, Blogger Jamal said...

Zwixo,

don't get me wrong , i would love for the Lebanese army to do the job, it would be great, but the lebanese army is a few decades away, i'm actually for somehow integratying HA into the army as a Border Patrol squad, where the Central Government has the ultimate authority.
as for this
"the South had 24hrs electricity, water, well asphalted roads, jobs, agriculture... unfortunately under the control of an enemy nation"
Sorry Zwixo, but you are way off, you probably never went into the occupied zone while under occupation, you never had the pleasure of el jalbout, or Abdel ghani. asphalted roads? sure israeli bulldozers dug thru my grandma's legitimately owned garden which was the only thing she lived for to build a road for their tanks.

jobs? you're kidding right, your career choices were at 15 years old either carry a gun and fight under the flag of the SLA, move in to khiam and get "loved", or get the hell out of the area before you hit puberty.

Israel's goal was to make the south uninhabitable for the lebanese so they could start building settlements there. (Plenty of articles on the subject , from the 70's and 80's) That goal was defeated thru a long fight, and not just by HA, let's not give them all the credit.
Anyways back to the main point, HA is hesitant and in my opinion rightfully so to let certain people , (cough Amin cough Gemayel ), decide how to deal with the israeli threat, and want guarantees that all the progress they've made to gain independence on that piece of land isnt thrown down the jiyyeze.

also, why would lebanon lay down it's weapons without ANYTHING in return, during all war/peace negotiations in history, both sides have to make concessions for peace, why should Israel be rewarded for free?

 
At Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:43:00 PM, Blogger zwixo said...

Ok Jamal I hear you,
What i stated might be the better side of the israeli occupation. Please know that i'm not saying Israel is good, just pointing out the positives in the enemy's occupation. Like saying now that Iraq is no longer ruled by a dictator, doesn't make the Americans right, but it's still a good thing.

Anyways, what I know is that the South is now worse than under occupation, of course for those who fought the occupation it is better, but i'm saying as a whole, now the South is dead. If i'm not gonna say worse then just the same. Then again, what I brought up wasn't that I wanted to reward israel for free, I just want my Government to address israel, Not Hezbollah, who again, brought nothing to the country ater the liberation.

I know that the occupation was criminal, it is still criminal every day in Palestine. It pains me. But I for one wouldn't waste my life fighting a country backed by trillions of tanks and aircrafts, call me whatever you want but I choose to confront it with my tongue and my pen, Israel or Syria or whatever. Hezbollah wants to pay a higher price, it just can't when we live together.

 
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