28.11.05

Political window: Hayya Bina's Map of Lebanon

For the occasion of our first "foreign armies" free Lebanon Independance, Hayya Bina; a socio-political movement based in Lebanon, published the "updated" map of the free Lebanon.
Take a look at Hayya Bina's depiction of the current free Lebanon,
www.hayyabina.org
at this bluntly realistic view that names things as they are, in hope that this reality will change in the near future.

In Hayya Bina's newsletter you'll find the following info:
Km2 vs. Km sovereignty

What remains of Lebanon in terms of km2
after subtracting territories outside the state's control?

Under this title, Hayya bina invites you to attend a press conference it will be holding on Tuesday, 29 November at 12.30p.m
to present its map of Lebanon comparing square kms to sovereignty km
at the Foundation for Human and Humanitarian rights, Starco Center, Block A, 8th floor, appt. 803

13 Comments:

At Monday, November 28, 2005 11:52:00 AM, Blogger Maldoror said...

Very subjective. Just another point of view!

 
At Monday, November 28, 2005 6:10:00 PM, Blogger Assaad said...

I was surfing on the web site of hayyabina.org and i found an article wrote by Raymond Haddad (don't know who is he) about Hezbollah and the hezeb leaders. Critisizing any party is something but treating Hezbollah as an integrist party is a very bad sign!

 
At Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:19:00 AM, Blogger zwixo said...

when a bad sign is a fact... it's better to just say it.

 
At Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:29:00 PM, Blogger Assaad said...

So you think that Hezbollah is integrist as well ?
On what are you based to say that it is a "fact" ?
Thx

 
At Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:38:00 PM, Blogger zwixo said...

My pleasure.
By definition, an inttegrist is an extreme traditionalist. Hezbollah is an extreme traditionalist party :) . Or is it a liberal progressive one?

 
At Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:29:00 AM, Blogger Assaad said...

Zwixo, it is also a pleasure for me to discuss with you.

I am not convinced by the way you turned Hezbollah to an integrist party :) (your definition).
It is a religious party who has external Relations and doesn't participate into terrorist actions. More over they are lebanese and have their representatives in the lebanese political life so it is a Patriotic party as well who has done great things for the freedom of the south.

If it is a question of disarming this party than the discussion is different.

Regards

 
At Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:56:00 PM, Blogger zwixo said...

me too ;)
The weapon issue aside...
Being a religious party, a lebanese party or a "patriotic" party (whatever that means) doesn't mean it can't be an integrist party. And having some good deeds done doesn't mean it's not integrist. When Khomeini came to power in 79, he did diminish the high level of corruption that was going on in the time of the Shah. This is very good. But the Khomeini regime is, without a shadow of a doubt, extremist and traditional. You must be familiar to Hezbollah's teachings and way of life... they can be both Lebanese and Integrists you know, just like the majority in Iran now.
One thing doesn't erase the other, if I tell you: "you're an integrist, you can't reply" - "But I freed the South!". Tell me how you control Beirut's Dahieh and the freed South and the Bekaa and force a ceratin moral/political/sociological code on the inhabitants. From the big picture to the tiny details: how a woman living in Hezbollah Land is treated when she chooses not to wear the veil. And many many more examples. I'm not condemning the fact of wearingthe veil, I talking about choices and freedom. An extremist has only one choice, one book, one master, one code; everything else is the "devil's work".
Cheers.

 
At Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:25:00 PM, Blogger Assaad said...

Zwixo :
You said "You must be familiar to Hezbollah's teachings and way of life"... I am not involved in anything with any party in Lebanon. I only give opinions and like to discuss ;).

You said "But the Khomeini regime is, without a shadow of a doubt, extremist and traditional"

I agree with that, but being extremist and tradional is something different from integrist and here i am not taking the defence of Iran but i am trying to say that HA are traditional and very religious (ya3ne extremist but not Integrist).

You said " how a woman living in Hezbollah Land is treated when she chooses not to wear the veil". When i visit Lebanon and go to the cities you are mentionning, i always see women wothout Veils!!! i've never heard about women having problems if they are not wearing Veils! We are not in Iran!

You said "An extremist has only one choice, one book, one master, one code; everything else is the "devil's work""

You are talking about extremists like Ben Laden and co. It is not the case of HA.
Cheers

 
At Thursday, December 01, 2005 3:18:00 PM, Blogger zwixo said...

By familiar I meant you knew about it... Did you go to Dahieh or to Baalbeck or to the Southern villages, Hezbollah infiltrate every little detail in people's lives there.

Only last week, during a funeral in one of the southern villages, Hezbollah forbade members of the family to talk in the event, because they had issues with them. This maybe a small example, but this is the way they work, they Are a "republic inside the republic".

They may not have the police Iran has, but if a shiah girl tliving in Dahieh, decides to take of the veil, expect the next day two clergy men at her father's door (because they don't address women) to tell him your daughter lost her way, and subsequently; gossip starts, the party's help stops and family problems begin.

Bin Laden believes that The US government and Israel are "Pure Evil". Hezbollah...
Bin Laden believes that kamikazes can be holy. Hezbollah...
Bin Laden believes that war can solve problems. Hezbollah...
the list goes on but the difference is that Hezbollah is now sharing Lebanon. It can't be a fugitive in the afghan mountains. It has to be careful with everything he says and does, we already know they are a resistance and part of the government in the same time... I'll still label it as an integrist party; yes.
And I mentioned at the beginning that in definition, an integrist is an extremist and a traditionalist. If you have another definition, please do share it.

Ragards.

 
At Thursday, December 01, 2005 3:31:00 PM, Blogger Assaad said...

Ben Laden thinks that Kamkaze can be Holy BUT he is an integrist who killed and kills innocent people. HA doesn't attack innocent and civil people..

The answers on your list is the same.

As for da7ye or the south, it is not really true what you are saying about women case and i saw that in my eyes and had the confirmation from some friends.

You can continue to label HA as you like. At the end it is your opinion and i do respect it but i don't share it that's all.
Cheers

 
At Thursday, December 01, 2005 3:53:00 PM, Blogger zwixo said...

From the discussion, we can see that we both respect each other's point of view, and that's necessary and always good.

What I hear from my shiah friends is what I know, I will bring you more examples in the future :)

Maybe we can direct our debate better is we say: I would mind Hezbollah continuing his activities like this, you wouldn't, but then there are different issues involved, we can't generalize with a yes and no...

Anyways, Hezbollah is a huge issue itself, it was good talking to you.

 
At Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:19:00 PM, Blogger Assaad said...

Correct zwixo, i appreciate the discussion with you.

I'll be the first one to condamn HA members actions if they will interfer into the freedom of people especially women.

As for HA activities and issue, i am for turning it into a full political party and it must be done cause we must have one Republic (Lebanese Republic with all the communities).
To arrive to this issue, the lebanese army must become stronger and Lebanon must sign a simple treaty with Israel confirming that none of the two countries will each other (like between Syria and Israel - Hedne Douwaliyan Madmoune HDM :D) cause we are not able and i think we don't want to fight Israel or whoever (and Israel must not treat us the same ugly way they are treating Palestinians)!

We wanna Peace, Freedom and good rights for all the lebanese.
Cheers ;)

 
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