6.10.06

1973-2006: Myth Busters!

Thirty-three years anniversary of the October 1973 war! The Egyptian Army crosses the Barlev Line. Many would come and say that it was not a victory, but that is not the point. The outcome is that Sinai is Egyptian and Arab today.

Thirty-three years ago, young Egyptian heroes crossed the Suez Canal to claim back what is rightfully theirs.

Does the Canal qualify as part of the Red Sea? No matter what, the Egyptians did not need Moses to part the sea to get to the other side. They were not fleeing the Pharos; they took justice into their hands. They planned, they implemented, and they succeeded. They were the myth busters. Israel is not invincible, and contrary to what is believed, you do not need to destroy Israel, you just need to shake it hard enough to get what you want. [Full Article]

18 Comments:

At Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:04:00 AM, Blogger Mirvat said...

there's a myth about fleeing the pharos because they were persecuted whish had been refuted by recent historians based on the fact that the jews left egypt as a fully armed unit as it is even mentioned in the bible.

 
At Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:21:00 AM, Blogger Fadi said...

...but I guessed they forgot to take their radar unit, and wandered for 40 years before ending up in Palestine. They should have been heading to Madagascar!

 
At Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:27:00 AM, Blogger hillz said...

lol fadi. (on ur comment)

for the post:
I agree.
but in the political reality now, I don't know how much a national resistance can be achieved.
there are alot of constraints nowadays for a new group to rise in coordination with hizballah.
as for the collaboration with the army, u know it depends on the governmental political decision.
and i guess u know thatonly the telephone diplomacy is promoted as a defensive strategy.

 
At Saturday, October 07, 2006 12:28:00 AM, Blogger hillz said...

.. nowadays i mean

 
At Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:06:00 AM, Blogger JoseyWales said...

How about dealing with facts rather than myths for a change?

BTW the guy who "...planned, they implemented, and they succeeded" was called Anwar Sadate.

He was killed by people hailed as heroes in the Arab world today.

Where is Sadate's memory compared to loser Nasser? Is there a Sadatian party in Lebanon today?

"What can one conclude from those facts?" is I think a more relevant question than what happened in 1973.

Mirvat baby, stick to Palestine cuz history and theology ain't your schtick. How about another Taste of Palestine recipe now that Fatah is killing Hamas people or is it vice-versa?

 
At Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:13:00 AM, Blogger hillz said...

jose,
u know that the army began to be re-constructed under nasser's power, no?
u know that sadat was killed by people he encouraged to rise, no?


now, if what u nderstood from all mrivat's posts is that she is with hamas, then u really need to have to relook to them.

 
At Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:39:00 AM, Blogger Shmulik said...

If it was such a victory than why the Golan in israeli hands? "your" precious Sheeba-farms? Is Syria lesser than Egypt? The war had something to do with it (by reminding Israel that war is painful) but the real reason Sadat got the Sinai back while the Golan is in Israeli hands is because sadat was willing to co-exit peacefully with Israel and now you deride him for it. I have seen many bloggers here say that the peace treaty he has worked so hard to accomplish both in war and in peace, is not a real peace but a decree that a tyrant (Sadat and later Mubaraq) forces on his people. What I find to be truly humorous is that when Israel doesn't relinquish territory you say that it's an enemy of peace but when it does, it's a proof it's weak and should be attacked (and if somebody doesn't attack it than he is a traitor to the arab cause/palestinian cause/islam/insert something). That's a lose lose situation if there ever was one.

 
At Saturday, October 07, 2006 6:59:00 PM, Blogger SC said...

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At Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:26:00 PM, Blogger Eve said...

SC,

your comment was deleted for racist profanity. try to be wise next time when choosing your words.

 
At Sunday, October 08, 2006 11:27:00 AM, Blogger Fadi said...

Shmulik. Golan is not on the borders of Egypt. Get an Atlas. Syria and its president at the time - Hafez Asad - did the biggest mistake at the time, and his son is keeping the same tradition. Cheering for wars fought from other lands.

I haven't mentioned any Sadat in my post, and the rest of the comments were not offensive. They were asking a questions - was the war planned under Sadat or Nasser, and the truth is the plans started in 1968 under Nasser. Is that an insult to Sadat? Not really. Egyptian Soliders courage put a Sadat-Nasser Plan to work, is that an insult. Of course not. Was Churchil fighting on the D-day?

Now Sadat brought back the islamic fundamentalism, and they killed him. What have I got to do with it? Rabin was supposedly killed because of his Peace stance.

But I am surprised you're implying that force should be used to liberate Golan and Shebaa. HA would be happy to oblige I'm sure? I also know that one can hardly miss a target in Israel shooting from the Golan Heights. Obviously you have not been in Israel during the war, or at least in the Northern Parts of it?

Israel - or the so called state of Israel - is the master of disguise, and the master of broken promises. I could care less what it thinks or what it doesn't like. Truce - a no-war status quo would do.

Israel is not attacked verbally or militarily because of its love for peace my dear, it's the exact opposite. Israel is not hated only because it is holding land, but because it was founded on war-crimes and atrocities, and continue to be so.

 
At Sunday, October 08, 2006 5:44:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

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At Sunday, October 08, 2006 5:47:00 PM, Blogger Shmulik said...

Fadi

It seems I didnt explain myself fully. As an Israeli I tend to look at the Yom-Kippur war from both fronts, syrian and egyptian. My point is the fact that Egypt managed to regain Sinai while Syria didn't get the Golan is not because of Egypt fighting better than Syria in 73 but because of sadat's diplomacy and acceptance of Israel's existance. In pure military terms Israel has won in 73 (you can open a map and look at the IDF positions 30 Km from Damascus/ 101 Km from Cairo while the 3rd army was encircled). Sinai was won by diplomacy and not by force of arms (although to be honest a decent military showing by the arabs was probably necessary).
Speaking about Nasser I would like to remind you that Israel has offered to return the 1967 conquests in return for peace and he has refused (the infamous Khartoom declaration

 
At Sunday, October 08, 2006 6:37:00 PM, Blogger Fadi said...

Shmulik,

You got my point: "a decent military showing by the arabs was necessary" to get diplomacy roling.

Now, on the lighter side of things? I wish Israel occupied Cairo and Damascus. I of course say that with no good will meant for the IDF nor Israel, naturally. They would have been beaten blind and converted to Photons by anything the Damscenses or the Egyptians get hold off, ranging from guns, butcher knives,flower pots, and insoles - if Lebanon was ever a taste of the pie - CAIRO and Damascus would have been the Last supper! You don't need an army there..

You know what, I jusssst wish the IDF was arrogant enough to keep moving ahead and engulf two more states? Pitty they didn't - you see, they were 30 kms from Damascus, and 101 kms from Cairo.

The FAMOUS Khartoum declaration, NO NEGOTIATIONS, NO RECOGNITION, NO PEACE still applies for hundreds of millions of Arabs, and billions of conscience people around the world who are JUST fed up of Israeli atrocities. Why should negotiations, recognition, or peace be granted if Israel respects none?

For a change, the IDF were smart enough after 1973 to retreat and give up the land they usurped. Now, Israeli politicians should be smart one more time - hard as it may sound - and give up the rest of Lebanese, and rest of the occupid land. Then they should work hard to start negotiations, and to earn recognition and peace. Or else..

 
At Sunday, October 08, 2006 7:48:00 PM, Blogger e said...

Fadi,
You are overestimating Arab resistance. It took the Palestinains 20 years of occupation before they launched the intifada and we can argue how successful those have been for them.
In 73 if Israel occupied Damascus or Cairo the people in these cities would have been shell shocked in the same way. Israel would have controlled them using a system of collaborators that it is very easy to put in place in the Arab world and as you know from Lebanese history, Israel has a lot of experience doing. There are always enough Arabs that hate other Arabs more than Israel. In Egypt for example Israel would have used the Copts.

I have no argument with you that the Israeli army is not invincible in any particular battle. What I don't understand is what follows from that? Israel didn't retreat from the Sinai in 73, it did so in several stages starting in 79. The formula was land for peace. If you don't accept this formula, there are going to be more wars and more Arab "victories". Except that with only one superpower, the wars will not end at a time necessarily convenient for the Arabs.

e

 
At Monday, October 09, 2006 6:24:00 AM, Blogger Peter said...

Don't forget that Sadat offered peace to Israel in 1971 in exchange for returning the Sinai, an offer that was ignored by Israel at the time. If Sadat hadn't crossed the Bar-Lev Line in 1973 and shattered Israel's sense of invincibility (even if Israel ultimately came back in 1973), then he would have never gotten bacj the Sinai by negotations in 1979.

 
At Tuesday, October 10, 2006 7:03:00 PM, Blogger janire said...

I can't disagree more with the post.

The saudi ambassador said it best there is a difference between resistance and adventures.

Israel left all of lebanon land in 2000. If you don't agree take it up with the UN who drew the syrian/lebanon borders. Israel doesn't care about lebanese land and would give it up in a second if the un ruled. Syria won't mark the border because they use lebanon. Instead of fighting from their border they use lebanon.

No myth was broken. Japan didn't respect a nuclear power.

Israel has 700 nuclear weapons with nuclear submarines off the lebanon coast they could kill every life form in lebanon on one order.

Israel left lebanon in 2000 so what is this about resistance. To free kuntar who bashed a baby's skull in. Syria holds dozens of lebanese prisoners. Freeing kuntar is not resistance.

Hezbollah was belligerent. Israel left in 2000 and for that they got waves of suicide bombings from hezbollah, cross border attacks, shelling.

What myth was broken. Israel still has their nuclear submarines. Hezbollah couldn't even get back sheeba farms.

What victory your beaches are filled with cancerous toxins and oil. Your water will have cancerous dust from the toxin cloud from the power plant spreading dust over beirut. Look for lower fertility rates in beirut.

One million cluster bombs keeping the shittes in southern lebanon in prisons down there. No harvest season. Hundreds of amputations just in the last month. People going blind from cluster bomb explosions.

This sounds like hell instead of a victory.

As one farmer in southern lebanon said we have been through so much hell if we didn't call it a victory we would lose our minds.

 
At Monday, October 16, 2006 6:59:00 PM, Blogger Rhiannon said...

"Israel has 700 nuclear weapons with nuclear submarines off the lebanon coast they could kill every life form in lebanon on one order."

Tell me something I don't know. WOW, GOOD FOR "ISRAEL"! How about a nice big star of David on its big white pasty forehead?

That israel could kill every life form in Lebanon in one order is typical of your Godless, inhuman bragging.

What will you do when 'israel' is destroyed in the process on that "one order"?

 
At Monday, October 16, 2006 7:19:00 PM, Blogger Rhiannon said...

All this whining over one dead baby. How many babies has israel smashed before Kuntar?

Look for lower fertility rates in Lebanon? Sure! Isn't that a part of your plan you atheist demon, you? You can't stand that israel is losing the birthrate numbers to the Palestinians and Lebanese.

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"One million cluster bombs keeping the shittes in southern lebanon in prisons down there. No harvest season. Hundreds of amputations just in the last month. People going blind from cluster bomb explosions."

AND ALL THIS DONE BY "ISRAEL". So seeing that you are so very proud and boasting of your handiwork - tell me something:

Why can't this be front page news in the North American newspapers??

Shouldn't the Americans know what their billions of tax dollars are paying for in good ole "holy land" israel? Seeing that you are sooo sickeningly pompous of your long body of bloodwork in the land of your neighbors and the stolen land of theirs that you occupy - by all means - splash it all over the USA Media industry and let the people of the USA and Canada know how WONDERFUL you are! How bright, shiny, smart, and MURDEROUS you are.

The Americans will be so happy and over-joyed that their billions upon billions of tax dollars are hard at work - bashing the skulls and spilling more blood of Palestinian and Lebanese babies and children.

 

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