Civil War 2006

I keep hearing talks that a new civil war will erupt in Lebanon soon. Reading and going through all Lebanese blogs it is obvious all Lebanese bloggers do not want a civil war (correct me if I am mistaken). Going through different forums I can see the same attitude by all Lebanese. I am sure that back in the 70s the majority of the Lebanese must have felt the same way. How can we avoid getting into a war? How can we avoid getting drifted by the "powers"? How can we all remain united under the party of Lebanon?.... no matter how artificial this unification may seem now. How?


At Saturday, October 07, 2006 6:21:00 PM, Blogger Lazarus said...

you don't need to be united.

you only need to be convinced that the way to deal with differences of opinions is through the "system," and not through violence. is everyone convinced of that? who knows.

At Saturday, October 07, 2006 6:45:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

- stop telling that others are betrayals (well except a small part. that's normal in any country ;) )
- stop acting as if we are always the poor guys that are beaten on the asses without doing anything.
- sending the politicians to the trash. I am not very confident about that, since they will be elected by lebanese people soon and again.
- stop hiding under the image of a sect. a sect has no rights. people any people do have rights (lebanese, palestinians, syrians).
- a corrption is a corruption.And who stoled is a thief. point.
- start focusing on something productive rather than waiting every year for faria and lebanese beaches and malls where we can steal the tourists.
- .............
- however all the above doesn't work if there is an inernal and and an external pushing for a war.
- note: on what you said here:
"I am sure that back in the 70s the majority of the Lebanese must have felt the same way."
I don't agree. Lebanese were preparing for the war far before that. Arming takes along time, and it's historically stated. now back then every one said he has his own lebanon, martyrs and sect to defend.

At Saturday, October 07, 2006 7:48:00 PM, Blogger Lazarus said...

hilal, i agree with everything you said, except the last point. what was the percentage of lebanese actually physically involved in the last war? the majority? or is a minority enough to create such a situation?

At Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:25:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

I believe that there is no minority or majority in Lebanon. History tells me.
I have overcome the reason of the war by now.
Politically we can argue till ever if the war was prepared for or it was just a reaction for Hezbollah capturing two soldiers.
Let me put it in another way, in 2000 after the Israeli withdrawal HA captured 3 soldiers. At that time the Israeli withdrawal was really fresh but there were suspended issues by Israel as usual. It's not different than now except that the "majority" has another way to handle the things and the international community is much "concerned" (??).
For me attacking the south is just like attacking Beirut just like violating Lebanese sea, air, water, or even radio-waves. It doesn't differ.
Who died to defend their land are all Lebanese despite their ideological commitment that we can agree or disagree with.
The Lebanese participated in the war in a very constructive way. I mean helping the homeless, that is the civil resistance.

On another topic,
I believe in the power of the civil institutions in the Lebanese community. A privilege which is the key to gather a nation in difficult situations. Such a privilege was not available in Iraq because of the saddami's. What I wish for is that to let the sectarian forces step a bit aside from these institutions.

At Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:32:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

- replace:
because of the saddami's


in the saddami's times

At Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:32:00 PM, Blogger Lazarus said...


hilal, by "last war" i didn't mean this summer war, but the civil war, which was the topic of the post. :) sorry for the confusion.

At Saturday, October 07, 2006 8:59:00 PM, Blogger hillz said...

Ah ok.
It crossed my mind when I read your comment ;)
Well u said it.
It was a "civil" war.
For me accepting this fact is one of the cures to any future escalations.
- All the parties made mistakes. Some confessed that and tried to estimate where they did wrong and where they didn't. Others are in a state of denial and they prefer to call it a resistance.
- For the people, well the arming campaigns from the two sides began in late sixties, so Yeh I guess part of the Lebanese participated effectively (physically) in this war. Not to mention the war mentality that we still live in. a.k.a. "mosh 3aref ma3 meen 3am te7keh" ;)
Now of course the outside played a role but that doesn't mean that we deny that the Lebanese participated physically in the war.
- Was it a majority or minority? I really can't give you an answer. You know, "numbers in Lebanon is a point of view". What it is a fact is that the political parties led the way, "many" people followed them maybe to “live” in such conditions maybe to “die” for a cause (??) ..

At Saturday, October 07, 2006 11:48:00 PM, Blogger BOB said...

The future looks grim...

Even in this blog we can't even have a single discussion without accusations of traitor/ israeli/Iranian/ syrian/anti lebanon you name it, fly...

Maybe I am a bit pessimistic but there is a feel of desperation in the air, and tensions are rising. Till this day two incident, and that last one resulted in a death...

Black clouds are gathering and you can almost hear the thunder beyond the horizon.


At Sunday, October 08, 2006 8:01:00 PM, Blogger linalone said...

I do agree with BOB pessimistic views and I'm not the only one. Lot of my friends and family do. Unification, Solidarity people are forgetting what do these 2 words mean.Each party(Side) is accusing the other of Betrayal for an external force. No common ground between the Lebanese. Radicalism is devastating.

At Sunday, October 08, 2006 9:14:00 PM, Blogger Rabie_Halad said...

I say take everyone out of this government put the new generation in get a 40 billion dollar loan so our economy can grow smoothly make a strong enough army to protect the country get a few nukes from Iran in a few years otherwise seperate north and south and keep beirut neutral and we might escape a civil war


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